Episode 2

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Published on:

6th Apr 2026

Ep. 2 | No Kings, No Plan: Democracy, the Two-Party Trap, and What We're Actually Fighting For

Recorded April 2, 2026

In Episode 2, Martha Jean gives Tyler a full debrief on the No Kings III rally in Canton, Georgia, where NGA CAN drew 350 to 400 people. From there the conversation sprawls into bigger territory: what the No Kings messaging actually communicates, whether protest is a gateway to real civic engagement or just a feel-good exercise, and why both hosts think the two-party system is broken, even though they disagree on what to do about it.

Topics covered in this episode:

The No Kings rally in Canton, what worked, what the turnout meant, and why Martha Jean is already skeptical of the messaging. The permit fight, and how cities are using insurance requirements, attendee estimates, and selective enforcement to quietly suppress protest. Third parties and the lesser-of-two-evils trap, where Tyler makes the case that voting Democrat is voting to maintain the system, and Martha Jean pushes back with the practical problem of Trump. Jill Stein, the Green Party, and whether spoiler candidates are a DNC talking point or a real concern. May Day and the general strike, and why calling for a strike in this economy is easier said than done. ICE, what abolishing it actually means, what it doesn't mean, and why Martha Jean thinks the whole agency needs to start over from scratch. And a preview of a bigger conversation about democracy itself, including whether it is inherently good, what the difference is between a democracy and a constitutional republic, and whether states should have the right to secede.

Fact checks from this episode are at the top. We got two quotes wrong and Martha Jean called an AR-15 an AK-47.

Have something to say? Email us at schindlersgist@proton.me.

If you want to get involved in civic action in North Georgia, find us at ngacan.org.

Transcript
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welcome back to Schindler's Gist

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I'm Martha Jean Schindler

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and my co host

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that you're gonna hear from later on in this episode

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is Tyler Cluth and this is episode 2

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which was recorded on Thursday April 2nd

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if you haven't already listened to episode 1 yet

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please go do that we covered how the organization I run

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called North Georgia Community Action Network

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or NGA can got started what indivisible is

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and why two people like Tyler and me

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with pretty different political backgrounds

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decided to make a podcast together

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before we get into episode two though

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I want to do our fact checks first

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Tyler and I throw around a couple of famous quotes

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and we get both of them wrong

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when we get into the democracy conversation

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near the end of the episode

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I say something like wasn't it Ben Franklin who said

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democracy is the worst form of government

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except for all the others

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and Tyler suggests

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it might have been Alexander Hamilton

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it was neither in fact

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that quote belongs to Winston Churchill

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from a 1947 speech to the house of Commons

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similarly Tyler attributes the idea

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that government is a necessary evil

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to Hamilton the quote about that

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the actual quote government

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even in its best state is but a necessary evil

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is from Thomas Paine in his paper Common Sense

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which was published in 1776

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it's an easy mix up given the era

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but worth getting right and third

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I say at one point that

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voter turnout is less than a third of the population

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and that's way too low for presidential elections

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which is what I think I was referring to

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I was probably averaging out a bunch of elections

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and saying

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I think it's less than a third of the population

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usually votes that's

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apparently kind of wrong on a lot of measurements

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so presidential elections

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typically see 55 to 65% of eligible voters

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showing up to the poles

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for midterms it's closer to 40 to 50%

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which was a lot higher than I expected

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for local elections

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which is what we're talking about most in this episode

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turnout definitely often falls under a third

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sometimes well under a third

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so when we're talking about

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how many people show up to vote

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we just need to be more careful

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about which election we're talking about

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and be more specific

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and finally I described someone open carrying

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at a Woodstock intersection

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as having an AK forty seven

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Tyler catches this in real time

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and he's mostly right

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a fully automatic AK forty seven is heavily restricted

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and rarely what I would be seeing out in the wild

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however semi automatic

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AK pattern rifles are very widely available

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and are commonly called AK forty Sevens

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in casual conversation

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so I may not have been entirely wrong

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just imprecise AK style rifle is a safer call

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um calling it an AR fifteen is also fine

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I am not a a gun expert like my dad was

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and I just called it what somebody else called it

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and who knows if it was correct or not

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I know some of the people who uh

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come out and um

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protest with us are highly knowledgeable about guns

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if that sounds weird to you

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we're in the south guns are everywhere

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um but who knows what it really is

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I'd have to go up and ask

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or look at it closer than I wanna be to this guy

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so it's not gonna happen alright

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so let's get into episode two

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you had notes you wanted to go over

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well no

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I just I got

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I just got a couple things that we're gonna pertain to

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okay pertain to the conversation

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so I guess I mean

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I guess the one thing is like

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this is our our preramble

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but yeah

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I guess we'll start with like

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a launching type introduction

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mm hmm

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and then and then I think I wanna get into

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I wanna know what you did for the like

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cause you organized for no kings and all that

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so I wanna hear I wanna hear all about

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all about that your organization and

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and then doing it

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and then I have thoughts of no kings

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where I think that we can get into

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more of a broad conversation

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about

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about my thoughts and about the no kings stuff and

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and I think democracy as a whole

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or what people think of as democracy mm hmm

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I think that should give us more

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I'm sure we could probably

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babble at each other for hours about it

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so

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okay so um

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yeah and I had down that we are gonna want to yeah

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so I had the down the same thing

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um okay

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so first um

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we hosted I have

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I have probably like

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for another episode it would probably be interesting

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to go into the long backstory of our organization

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but um

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because there's like

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some whys and wherefores

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that get more interesting the more you know about it

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but it's also kind of drama

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because in the activism space

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particularly when you're at the beginning of any um

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I think when when an effort is new

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most of the people who are engaged in it are

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strong personalities right

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like these are not necessarily the same people

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who put on a suit and tie

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and go clock in at a corporate job and

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you know sign off their emails at the right way right

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these are yeah no

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you have to be like

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outgoing and yeah

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and so strong personality

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public speaking and yeah

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altercation and yeah

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and so um

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so there's always drama in um

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activism spaces but I think particularly left of center

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because a hallmark of conservatism

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and the right is falling in line

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not making waves there's more

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there's more effort at being similar to everyone

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and I'm curious if you disagree

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but by mean lowercase conservatism

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gotcha

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and then like if you look at leftists

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you know what and

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and even saying leftist

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and in my intro of the first episode even say like

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I'm leftist Liberal if you're a true leftist

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you would say I'm a probably

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you would probably call me like

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a moderate Liberal or something

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because I'm not a full blown anarchist

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that's like the true leftist is like

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anarchist

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or communistic or something in that direction

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yeah they're

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they're communists and I don't

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they're not Liberal are they ever anarchists

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maybe it's just cause I listen to a

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to the behind the basket

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you can be like a Anarko commie

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yeah yeah

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the the podcast

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some of my favorite podcast

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have a lot of communists and Anarko communists

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which it hurts my brain sometimes to think about

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but you know

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but it's not it's not Liberal

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cause Liberal believe like the idea like being Liberal

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like that's what a libertarian is

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was a classic Liberal oh really

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that's truly Liberal

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yeah truly Liberal is believing in people's rights

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so then there's also

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textbook definition and how those words are used too

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exactly cause

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cause I think there's a big problem

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where people call the left liberals

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and they are they are illiberal like

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like they don't believe in free speech

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so that's not that's not a Liberal quality

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that's interesting they don't believe in free speech

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do you think that's true of everyone who has

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is it like

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do you think that's true of Democrats

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that they tend not to believe in free speech

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true free speech

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it's honestly

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it's most Democrats and Republicans at this point

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they just believe in censoring speech

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in different areas mm hmm

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OK I'll put it yeah

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um yeah

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but yeah no

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that'd be a really fun that'd be

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I think that'd be a fun yeah

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a fun uh

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episode just like

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like

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definitions and how they land and where they are and

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yeah yeah

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at some point we can go through the drama because um

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like in theory

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if you're anti authoritarian

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anti fascist in theory

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that should be a big tent right

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in theory that should probably include libertarians

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include yeah

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anarchists include whatever

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Liberal and Liberal adjacent

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or whatever like

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well see

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but it can't include leftist

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because they're socialist and communist

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and that's well socialism

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well there are the democratic socialists

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and then there are the tanky socialists

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which I I can't

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I don't even know how much of a derogatory term that is

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like I don't know if that's like saying the tankies

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yeah I think it you

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I don't think it hurts anybody's feelings

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but I think it was yeah

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derogatory

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so because that's my understanding

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and whether or not you

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whether or not an outsider looking in

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believes that they are different

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and that one of them is not

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and and that they are or not both authoritarian

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at least the people who adhere to it

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believe that they are

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separating authoritarian leadership

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from the economic solution

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or not and the tankies just are more

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we don't care how we get to communism

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we need to get to communism

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and if it takes a strong authoritarian leader

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fuck it we'll take it

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so but the only way to maintain that is authoritarian

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you can't maintain communism

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outside of a small community

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without an authoritative state

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well so far

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from my understanding and my philosophy

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communism and socialism

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it can't because you have to force people to contribute

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against their will like

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not everybody's gonna Wanna pay 50% of their labor wage

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and taxes yeah

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that makes sense so the only way

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the only way to do it is like our country

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you go to jail then that's

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or going going back to the argument of

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it can only be small groups

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if we had freedom to and

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and this is there's some like

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if you read certain science fiction books um you'll

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you'll get into some theories

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that people become more tribal

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and that um

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and it's really interesting

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and so people in

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for lack of a better word tribes

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like they could be as big as China

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you know and you just

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this is the number of people who all agree that

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this is how I want to run things

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um

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if you know

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a billion people wanted to all be communist country

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and we had actual like

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freedom for people to assemble in those ways

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which I guess is the Anarko communist

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I think my understanding is that Anarko

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Anarko communist kind of believe in

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you have self determination

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and free will over how you are let

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let like

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how you organize and

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it just happens that everybody decided to be communist

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but the it it

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Anarko communism falls apart

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at the point of the communist part though

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as soon as one person doesn't want to contribute

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do you let them be free and not contribute

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or do you do you by force

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make them contribute I guess if you

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where if you are agreeing to live in this society

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you're agreeing to follow laws

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even ones you don't necessarily agree with

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because the negative um

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because there

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in theory there's

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there's hmm consequences

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Anarko Communist

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this year you don't have to

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we're not gonna make you but

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we're not gonna renew your membership in our tribe

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next year or you have to pay us more of this other crop

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or whatever I don't know

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I don't know whatever they decide to do um

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where you're better with like an anarcho capitalism

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because it's all voluntary

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voluntary like

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that's the difference between volunteer voluntarism

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or voluntarism and coercion

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is there not a a mid

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mid middle

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like the economic stuff

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and then it couldn't you make this stuff voluntary

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because we always we almost always have some sort of

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so communism is like a theory of not a state

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it's supposed to be larger than a state

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so I mean it's more of a

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cause socialism still allows a state

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a full communist

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that really doesn't want everybody to be communist

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with no like borders

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interesting okay cool

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like the Soviet US

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why Soviet Union kept wanting to expand

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because the idea of communism is

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it's as much as you can have

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you don't want the borders

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where socialism allows you to be a state

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in ideal in theory more

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but it's still doing the same thing though

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like the only way to get people

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like to get the whole population on board is you

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there has to be a punishment if you don't

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if you don't want to

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uh huh you know

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if I don't pay my property taxes

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the state takes my house even if I own it

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so that's coercion that's not voluntary uh huh

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like just to put it like simply

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cause that's what we have

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we have a mix I mean we

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you know our

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entitlements which is

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I thought most of our budget was now military

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yeah military is one trillion right now

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we spend 7 trillion a year

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we bring in 5 trillion a year

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already a huge problem

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and 1 trillion of the 7 trillion is Pentagon

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is military funding

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this reminds me of something else

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that I did a fact check on

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and it was the 35 cents of every dollar

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for the education thing and what my LLM said was that

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The Department of education

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reports much lower administrative costs

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and cause what you said was

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35 cents of every dollar goes to administrative costs

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and it said however

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there is a libertarian argument

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that could make it come up to 35 cents of every dollar

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because the libertarian argument says we pay taxes

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or something like that it

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it basically accounts for added costs

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and back and forth of moneys

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does that make sense yes

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it's the back and forth it and

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and that's what you meant by the 35 cents per dollar

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yes and

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that was a quote

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from the person that runs the Heritage Foundation

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I don't trust them though

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at all they want women to not be able to vote

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I don't think they necessarily want that

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yeah they do dude

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the dude that's that's in Project 2025

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I will I will die on that hill

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uh here

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let me see Heritage Foundation

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cause they're the ones that are doing the save act

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and all that yeah

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the save act isn't saying they don't want women to vote

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they just just the same as a stupid

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so the real ID is no different than the save act so

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and the Democrats pass the real ID like I have

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you have to get your real ID

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you have to do the exact same thing that you have to do

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to register to vote in the save act

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you gotta go to the DMV with your birth certificate

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okay it's a government

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let's see several of them

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have said things like this um

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do do

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do do do do do do

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I am sure I have seen a like a speech where they

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the guy was basically quoted um

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yeah they really want

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they make it pretty clear

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that they don't want women to vote

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that they want I'm I

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that I don't think so

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cause the sayback just says if you change your name

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which you have to do

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through the Social Security Administration anyway

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that to to register

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you have to have your birth certificate

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which you need to do when you change your name and and

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and go through the same channels

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it takes to get the real ID

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uh huh like

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so I don't think

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I don't really think it's anything that crazy

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no I'm not saying that people that work there might

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you know they might be more extreme

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I'm not a supporter of the Heritage Foundation

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but I I don't

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I don't like to like

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I'm not on yeah you're

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they're conservative Republicans

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but I'm also like I'm not against it

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you know

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if I think something they're saying is factual to

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to quote them say same as

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as any like

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left wing think tanks too

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you know like

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like just because they're left wing or right wing

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so that's just one inform

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one thing that I listened to a

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a a interview with a person at the Heritage Foundation

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that ran a bunch of that stuff

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um then that was more like

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yeah about

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like the department of education and stuff like that

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uh huh but yeah

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you know as long as the information is good

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but I don't care what side it comes from

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well I don't

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I don't trust them if they are extremely biased

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okay so one of the guys

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one at least

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one of the guys

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has said something that he said was a joke

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about rethinking the 19th Amendment

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he said it was a joke

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but I don't think that's a very funny joke

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and oh yeah

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there's loons out there like that and all of that

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and a lot of the things that they wanna do

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seem to be targeting women

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policies structurally designed to

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structurally reduce women's independence

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economic power and political influences

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one summary

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I was quoting

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off of a discussion about the department of education

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yeah and I don't think

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when they're bringing numbers like that up

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it has nothing to do with male female

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like it is a

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it is a a tax and cost kind of argument

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well well

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put me in the camp

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that is strongly biased against Heritage Foundation

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I just for

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for better or worse I

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I don't trust them as far as I can throw them

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um yeah

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I mean I just

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I just you know I

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you know you can go the opposite way

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like I'm not gonna believe like

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our public education system is a disaster

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so like

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I'm also not gonna be like yeah

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they're doing so good according to

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like these

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if you don't have leadership

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by people who actually want to do the right thing

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then you are not rewarded

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there is no reward to putting out accurate information

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that makes it look like you're messing up at all

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it like if

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if what people want is an easy solution

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and they want to never have problems

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so that they don't have to try to fix them

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then you you have entire institutions

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companies I mean

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even even if you look at

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you know

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corporations that

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where you will get in trouble if you say hey our

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our sale numbers are down and here's the actual reason

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and it's something that somebody doesn't want to hear

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then you can't trust anything that they say anymore

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um does that make sense

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yeah that makes sense

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so particularly right now

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it's really hard to trust any information

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coming out of any government entity

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you basically

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to me the ones that are most trustworthy

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are the ones that have had long term scientists

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working on things because culturally

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they tend to dislike

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obvious flagrant lies

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like I'm

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I'm talking about CDC

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and I think it's cdcrap or something

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I listen to a podcast from CDC

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is it CDC or CDC

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I don't remember but it's one of the health

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big health organizations

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but even then like anything

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anything coming out of recent administrations

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is questionable because we've just keep

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we've just continually gotten more and more screwed up

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yeah and

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and more more biased data

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and it's like

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how are you supposed to make good decisions

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if the data

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that you're using to make the decision is screwy

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yeah

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I mean I I think it's good to not trust much

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that comes out of the government's mouth

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and any of their organizations

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I think that's where you gotta start

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hahaha

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to put on my conspiracy hat hahaha

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OK so anyway

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I completely derailed us um

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I was gonna tell you about

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no that's alright

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so we did this is the second no Kings

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they had two no Kings events last year

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I think they kind of they had their first

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I think their first event was hands off

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no their first event was no Kings

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and there is indivisible

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I think LED the charge on the no Kings

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indivisible is um a big uh

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big organization here we can

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we can do yeah

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we actually I think we covered

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individual pretty good in the first episode

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yes yes

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so any event that they put on that they

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they get a lot of their partners to um

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participate in is gonna be big

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these people are really well connected

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they're big enough that even Donald Trump has

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referred to them in speeches

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and I think you know

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criticized them cause he doesn't like them

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um so anytime they put on an event

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we try to support it because it's gonna be a big one

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and some of what we do

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is just trying to meet expectations

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of people who want to participate in some kind of

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resistance movement

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civic action and resistance movement

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so if people want to know kings

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we do know kings

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so they did a no king two no kings last year

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and they also interspersed it with a hands off

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I think they were just kind of

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trying out different messaging

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and for whatever reason

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we're still sticking with no kings

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I think no kings is one of the dumber messages

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because it is just waiting for somebody to say well

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we don't have a king and it's like duh

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like this is not the

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the point of the no kings is saying

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there is executive overreach

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and the executive branch is doing things that

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um our king like

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and unilateral and we want to take that back

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but I would argue that that has happened before

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and they didn't fuss about it too much

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I do think things have gotten to a kind of

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tipping point but um I

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I would like to see a different cry than no kings

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yeah I mean I'm

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I'm just gonna say like I

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I agree with you like

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that's the problem with the no Kings messaging

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I think one big problem of the no kings messaging

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is that everybody that marched

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like I'm gonna put my bet

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not everybody but

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I would say over 90%

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of the people that were out marching this weekend

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are going to vote Democrat in the midterms

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and for next presidential election and that means that

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you didn't really understand what you were marching for

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and you missed the point completely

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because it's it's gonna

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it's the same machine

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it doesn't matter if they're red or blue

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the machine is the same

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that that

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that that the king is

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is the two party government system

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yeah I

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I think

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all of our presidents abuse their executive power

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I think I I mostly agree with you

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and I think I have the perspective a little bit more

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of it being

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very difficult

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it is very difficult

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to get people to change things radically

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and I think

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I think to a certain extent

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like if if

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if we didn't say hey vote for the Democrats

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vote for some alternative

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I think people's heads would explode and

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and then we would just have even less participation

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and it would still

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we would still have the two party system

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I don't know

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maybe I don't see

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I think that's the inherent flaw in all of this

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:

like that is because at the end of the day

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still voting to keep up the system

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that is yeah

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that is aggressively taking our rights

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like

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I would like to see Kevin Newson runs for president

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and he wins like nothing was achieved

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no I agree

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I agree I would like to see from these organizers

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something a little more extreme

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and to a certain extent

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they're kind of leaning in that direction

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um I think but it is

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fighting the two party system to me

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is way harder than fighting a single bad candidate

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and I kind of think they're looking for a

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a less bad devil that they know and

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and maybe I'm maybe there isn't that much thought

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maybe there are more people

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who just believe in the two party system

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believe that the Democrats have the way

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but I don't I don't hear a lot of people saying

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you know what I'm so excited about this Democrat

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and they are really

719

:

they have such moral clarity on the issues

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I'm so proud of us like

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I don't hear that from people

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I'm hearing increasing disgruntledness in general

723

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towards the parties particularly on a national level

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:

locally yup

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like we have good candidates

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who have to align with one or the other um

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locally who I think you know

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they're like yeah I'm

729

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I'm running as a Democrat

730

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because that's the only real choice that

731

:

that is likely to get me elected um

732

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I don't know see well

733

:

and that's I mean

734

:

this is why I'm part of the Libertarian Party

735

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because there are choices

736

:

and for people that are very left

737

:

there is the Green Party and you

738

:

stop wasting your time with the Democrats

739

:

and like because you

740

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the only way we vote our way out of the situation is

741

:

different parties isn't just the only way

742

:

isn't Jill Stein in the Green Party

743

:

yeah

744

:

I don't know how true this is

745

:

but it seems like I don't know if this is bots

746

:

I don't know if this is propaganda

747

:

but I see a lot of criticism about her

748

:

and I've seen more of it this

749

:

like in the past year and

750

:

and people call her a Russian agent

751

:

because they say she only comes out during elections

752

:

I don't know if that's true or not

753

:

but they're like she only pops her head out of

754

:

out of her go for hole during an election

755

:

and it seems like what she's doing

756

:

is dividing the non Republican

757

:

non conservative vote

758

:

and see okay so

759

:

and so a lot of people like

760

:

there are a lot of people who are just

761

:

and again I don't know if these are bots or real people

762

:

or people in cat suits on Reddit

763

:

but there are a lot of people

764

:

who are very convinced she's a Russian agent

765

:

and they they

766

:

they've had some decent arguments

767

:

for why that might be the case

768

:

cause I

769

:

I definitely don't hear about her in between elections

770

:

I don't know anything about her

771

:

other than that she pops up and runs

772

:

so so yeah she

773

:

she gets the most airtime during a

774

:

you know presidential election

775

:

she's ran as the Green Party candidate

776

:

around at three times I think last three

777

:

at least two at least

778

:

she's been around for a long time

779

:

but I mean

780

:

you don't hear as much from libertarians up until the

781

:

because they you don't get the microphone as much

782

:

starting to more with independent media and all that

783

:

but you don't get the microphone as much

784

:

presidential elections the biggest stage um

785

:

where I think you got it wrong

786

:

is Jill Stein is not splitting the conservative

787

:

Republican vote she splits the Democrat vote

788

:

yeah yeah

789

:

that's what I meant

790

:

that's what I meant was that they split

791

:

so this is a vote of everyone who is not conservative

792

:

Democrat yeah okay

793

:

I mean conservative

794

:

so this is a Jesus Yep

795

:

this is a DNC party talking point to smear her

796

:

to get everybody this illusion to say

797

:

you're wasting a vote like

798

:

this is this is why I say if you vote for a Democrat

799

:

especially in federal elections

800

:

you support Kings because the Democratic Party

801

:

and the Republican Party act as kings

802

:

so the Democrats do everything they can

803

:

to keep the Green Party off the ballot in the states

804

:

so that they can't siphon off Democrat votes

805

:

and that's a a party apparatus operation

806

:

just like uh

807

:

how people say like libertarians

808

:

if they're on the ticket

809

:

they're gonna siphon away Republican votes

810

:

so they don't want libertarians running on the ticket

811

:

because they'll they'll

812

:

they think that they're taking votes away

813

:

that's what Democrats say too

814

:

she's taking votes from us

815

:

when the actual truth is like no

816

:

you're not earning the votes

817

:

and people want a different choice

818

:

so instead of earning the citizens votes

819

:

they'd rather make ballot access so challenging

820

:

that you they get to run unopposed

821

:

so both parties do this if

822

:

you know let's OK

823

:

let's pretend in the last election

824

:

let's pretend that there was a voter

825

:

who did genuinely think

826

:

Donald Trump was a very bad thing

827

:

that that not just Trump himself

828

:

but the machine behind him

829

:

all that stuff is very very bad

830

:

they also thought that Kamala Harris

831

:

and the two party system sucks

832

:

but they don't think that the Kamala Harris thing

833

:

is gonna cause as much death and suffering

834

:

as Trump might

835

:

but because they don't like her

836

:

they decide to vote for Jill Stein

837

:

they decide to vote for the Green Party

838

:

Yep based on everything we know

839

:

about how the elections are working right now

840

:

there is no way that the person voting

841

:

in the last election

842

:

who voted for Jill Stein would believe that Jill

843

:

oh it thinks I'm raising my hand

844

:

go away little hahaha um

845

:

uh would believe

846

:

there's no way that they would believe that

847

:

Kamala Harris that their vote would be for that

848

:

that

849

:

that that their vote would win

850

:

they know Jill Stein is not gonna win

851

:

but they they are

852

:

committed

853

:

and they believe they ought to support Jill Stein

854

:

so then Donald Trump wins

855

:

and that person is looking at it and they're like yeah

856

:

Donald Trump really does suck

857

:

and so now I got the worst of the two evils

858

:

that actually were going to get elected

859

:

to me that is a problem

860

:

in over like as long as we have really bad uh

861

:

candidates which I would argue Trump is unusually bad

862

:

um

863

:

and that all signs pointed to him being unusually bad

864

:

as long as we have something like that

865

:

where we have really really bad and just kind of bad

866

:

and then essentially yes

867

:

statistically you are we can guarantee

868

:

we can bet money nobody is betting in Kolshi

869

:

that Jill Stein was gonna win last time

870

:

you know um

871

:

they're probably not gonna bet

872

:

that she's gonna win this next election

873

:

is that does that make sense

874

:

to continue to vote for her in those cases

875

:

and how do you overcome

876

:

it's like a chicken egg situation

877

:

how do you overcome this two party system

878

:

if we continue to get into these situations

879

:

which it seems like we're going to

880

:

as long as people get further and further apart

881

:

um ideologically speaking

882

:

is my question making any sense

883

:

yeah yeah uh

884

:

I think the poison pill in this argument

885

:

is what I always hear from the older generation

886

:

you do that you're wasting your vote

887

:

that's what I've been told time and time again

888

:

you're wasting your vote

889

:

there's no such thing as a wasted vote

890

:

if you believe in democracy

891

:

people should be able to support

892

:

who they want to support

893

:

it's a choice if you think both candidates are awful

894

:

and there's a candidate you agree with

895

:

that might not win and you want to vote for them

896

:

that is you know

897

:

that is showing numbers of people

898

:

that's showing the disapproval

899

:

the people that are willing

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:

willing to show disapproval

901

:

so so I agree

902

:

oh sorry

903

:

oh so

904

:

so I think the problem here is the messaging is

905

:

everybody is from from right out of the gates when

906

:

when you're

907

:

when you're taught about politics and government

908

:

and I've been told this time and time again

909

:

like you have to vote for the better of the two evils

910

:

it's like no

911

:

you don't

912

:

if all those people were serious about no kings

913

:

and their that

914

:

I mean that protest was pretty much majority

915

:

you know 90+ percent left

916

:

if they go to the ballot box

917

:

and they vote for the Green Party instead of Democrat

918

:

the Green Party wins

919

:

can you hear the actually disillusioned with the system

920

:

don't vote for the system

921

:

and there is an option can you hear the

922

:

we could be tried but huh

923

:

sorry can you hear the leaf blower

924

:

no okay

925

:

keep talking sorry sorry

926

:

I just didn't want it covering up you're talking

927

:

but but no

928

:

I think that's

929

:

that's the problem is everybody's beaten into like yeah

930

:

we want to support other things

931

:

we don't support you know

932

:

all of this things that our government is doing

933

:

but then come you know

934

:

voting day

935

:

everybody falls in line and they vote red or blue

936

:

it's like just don't like it

937

:

it could change in one election

938

:

if you just don't

939

:

you don't have to vote for Kamala Harris

940

:

you don't have to vote for Donald Trump

941

:

so like

942

:

and and what we need is to get to the

943

:

people need to get to that point

944

:

where we're finally willing to break that stigma of

945

:

you can't vote for anything else

946

:

I definitely agree with you in theory

947

:

but I think the lesser of two evils in in

948

:

so in this example in huh

949

:

it's the lesser of two evils

950

:

scares people into voting for the two party

951

:

well no

952

:

I think I think it was an actual

953

:

I like in

954

:

in my example

955

:

I think most people should have looked at Donald Trump

956

:

based on what we knew about

957

:

we had already seen him as a president once

958

:

and I feel like most people should have looked at that

959

:

and said that that was really bad

960

:

it's only gonna get worse

961

:

and that's without all the other evidence we had of

962

:

you know we had um

963

:

we had a lot of things going on during the um

964

:

campaigning knowing what we knew about JD Vance

965

:

knowing what we know about Palantir and Peter

966

:

Thiel and their association with

967

:

um

968

:

with the

969

:

Trump regime I'm gonna keep calling it regime

970

:

cause that's just what I do

971

:

um

972

:

I feel like

973

:

most people whether or not you agree

974

:

most people

975

:

should have thought

976

:

that the Trump machine was going to be worse

977

:

that that whatever Kamala and Democrats threw out

978

:

and I think that

979

:

if you think it was genuinely going to be worse

980

:

and I had a friend I have a good friend who voted um

981

:

for Jill Stein they

982

:

they are very much like we need three parties

983

:

we need um

984

:

or or not even three parties

985

:

they're like we need ranked choice voting

986

:

we need more options the two party system sucks

987

:

like they're on the same train as you

988

:

and I would agree with that

989

:

but

990

:

they actively did not think

991

:

that Donald Trump would be able to do

992

:

a lot of the things that have happened

993

:

well and he wouldn't be able to

994

:

if our Congress worked properly

995

:

right and

996

:

and

997

:

I just didn't have any faith in them working properly

998

:

like to me

999

:

I was just looking at how broken the system is

:

00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,333

and saying it's gonna suck really bad

:

00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:06,500

and I would have very much preferred

:

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you know I don't hold it against them exactly

:

00:39:09,033 --> 00:39:10,966

but I'm like I really wish all those people

:

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who had voted Green Party

:

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and I don't even know if it was enough to make a dent

:

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didn't because then maybe we wouldn't

:

00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:20,633

have Donald Trump would we have no

:

00:39:20,633 --> 00:39:23,233

I mean so we have Donald Trump system

:

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no but it might have been slightly better than current

:

00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,366

like potential nuclear war in Iran

:

00:39:29,366 --> 00:39:32,033

you know what I mean so yeah

:

00:39:32,033 --> 00:39:35,266

so I guess the rebuttal to that is

:

00:39:35,366 --> 00:39:38,333

Kamala Harris's campaign was awful

:

00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,533

it was shitty just

:

00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:45,066

it was awful like that so I think she got screwed too

:

00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:47,633

like I don't know how much to blame her for it but

:

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but it I mean yeah

:

00:39:50,833 --> 00:39:52,100

the Democrats OK

:

00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,333

so they didn't they they

:

00:39:54,333 --> 00:39:56,866

they did whatever they could to not run a primary

:

00:39:56,966 --> 00:39:59,200

yeah and Biden

:

00:39:59,966 --> 00:40:01,033

you know

:

00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:04,633

poops himself on debate stage in front of everybody

:

00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:07,400

and they panic

:

00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:10,733

and instead of still trying to hold somewhat

:

00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:13,733

what of a a primary and show any

:

00:40:13,966 --> 00:40:16,133

any inkling of democracy they're just like

:

00:40:16,133 --> 00:40:18,000

well the vice president will run now

:

00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,133

so voters didn't get to choose their candidate

:

00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:22,833

cause she would never have won a primary

:

00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,766

no she would never have won a primary

:

00:40:24,766 --> 00:40:26,633

I don't know who they thought would have won

:

00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:27,633

because they it's not

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00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:30,533

I mean Democrats have not been support none of the

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00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:31,433

none of the candidates

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00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:33,733

that people seem to actually like

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00:40:33,733 --> 00:40:35,433

the the democratic machine

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00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,600

does not seem to be supporting any of them

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00:40:37,766 --> 00:40:38,500

yeah but

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00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,166

she couldn't even make it to Iowa

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00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:41,300

when she ran for president

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00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,833

like there's no way she's winning a Democrat primary

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00:40:44,966 --> 00:40:47,500

uh huh so you put a real bad

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00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,700

can you annoy a very poor candidate that

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00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,833

that's tied vice presidents already

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00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:54,800

like there's no way JD Vance ever

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00:40:54,833 --> 00:40:56,266

ever has a chance of being president

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00:40:56,266 --> 00:40:56,633

like you're

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00:40:56,633 --> 00:40:57,933

as a vice president like

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00:40:57,933 --> 00:40:59,766

your political career is ruined

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00:40:59,866 --> 00:41:01,133

because you're tied to the administration

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00:41:01,133 --> 00:41:02,500

we're talking about it was it the same

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00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:03,733

did we maybe listen to the same one

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00:41:03,733 --> 00:41:05,566

cause I started listening to the one you recommended

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00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:09,366

that has the supposedly conservative and supposedly

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00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,666

yeah breaking points

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00:41:10,666 --> 00:41:12,833

yeah I don't feel like they really are very

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00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:16,466

ideologically biased much period

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00:41:16,466 --> 00:41:18,133

but anyway I mean you

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00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:20,466

Sager is definitely very conservative

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00:41:20,466 --> 00:41:23,333

he's not he's not uh vote

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00:41:23,333 --> 00:41:24,700

he's not a like

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00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:25,866

Republican as in like

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00:41:25,866 --> 00:41:27,966

not a lunatic conservative GOP

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00:41:27,966 --> 00:41:29,466

but he's a conservative guy

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00:41:29,466 --> 00:41:32,833

and Crystal is she's very left and

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00:41:32,833 --> 00:41:33,733

but they both they're just

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00:41:33,733 --> 00:41:35,500

they're reasonable haha yeah

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00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:37,066

and they'll both they're kind of

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00:41:37,066 --> 00:41:38,766

you know similar to kind of how we are

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00:41:38,766 --> 00:41:40,633

so I think SOG I like Soger

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00:41:40,633 --> 00:41:43,533

but he's he's a little too conservative for me

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00:41:43,533 --> 00:41:44,566

hmm but

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00:41:44,566 --> 00:41:48,433

but they're definitely don't tow the party line

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00:41:48,433 --> 00:41:49,233

yeah and

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00:41:49,233 --> 00:41:50,766

and they will

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00:41:50,766 --> 00:41:54,633

they will both tear into candidates on either side

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00:41:54,633 --> 00:41:57,466

and their own side with no issue

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00:41:57,866 --> 00:41:59,333

mm hmm and that's why I like them

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00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,033

mm hmm but yeah

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00:42:01,033 --> 00:42:02,266

I think they were saying yeah

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00:42:02,266 --> 00:42:03,233

they were saying this point

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00:42:03,233 --> 00:42:03,633

but like like

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00:42:03,633 --> 00:42:04,900

JD fans is ruined I mean

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00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:06,133

vice president like

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00:42:06,133 --> 00:42:08,466

you're not great cause you have to either

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00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,066

so she's running while Biden's still president

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00:42:11,133 --> 00:42:13,233

yeah so she can't say

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00:42:13,233 --> 00:42:14,666

I'm gonna do different things

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00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:15,533

or else

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00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:17,066

you know you're

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00:42:17,066 --> 00:42:19,866

you're talking down to your boss and your party

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00:42:19,866 --> 00:42:20,700

and all that right

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00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,433

so you're you're really hindered as a vice president

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00:42:23,433 --> 00:42:25,166

as a candidate mm hmm

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00:42:25,433 --> 00:42:26,333

and I mean

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00:42:26,333 --> 00:42:30,466

enough where she couldn't say that she was anti war

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00:42:31,066 --> 00:42:31,666

like yeah

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00:42:31,666 --> 00:42:33,100

Trump lied yes

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00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,366

but he's but he said the message that people wanted

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00:42:36,366 --> 00:42:39,200

yeah she couldn't even muster

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00:42:39,966 --> 00:42:43,200

I'm gonna stop got the thing that's happening in Gaza

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00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:44,466

yeah like

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00:42:44,466 --> 00:42:46,866

she couldn't even say that like

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00:42:46,966 --> 00:42:48,333

so the Democrats lost

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00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:51,233

because the Democrats ran a horrible campaign

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00:42:51,233 --> 00:42:53,700

and if people don't see that

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00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,366

and we're just mad at Trump

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00:42:55,633 --> 00:42:57,533

we're just gonna get another Democrat

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00:42:57,533 --> 00:42:59,166

that's the same as the other ones

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00:42:59,833 --> 00:43:01,366

and they're gonna do the same thing

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00:43:01,733 --> 00:43:02,700

mm hmm like

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00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:03,333

like it's

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00:43:03,333 --> 00:43:05,533

that the Democrat Party establishment

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00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:07,066

is what lost that campaign

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00:43:07,066 --> 00:43:08,466

is what lost that election

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00:43:08,933 --> 00:43:10,966

so if if we

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00:43:10,966 --> 00:43:14,533

let's pretend that that

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00:43:15,166 --> 00:43:17,700

okay I believe that

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00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,166

as bad as things are with the two party system

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00:43:21,166 --> 00:43:22,100

and I and I do

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00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:22,766

sometimes I

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00:43:22,766 --> 00:43:25,433

I have often come away feeling like

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00:43:25,766 --> 00:43:26,433

Democrats

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00:43:26,433 --> 00:43:29,900

would do exactly what the Republican Party were doing

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00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,933

if they had the power to um

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00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,733

if they were competent enough

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00:43:35,966 --> 00:43:36,366

um

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00:43:36,366 --> 00:43:39,700

unless they are a controlled opposition of some point

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00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,433

of some kind but let's pretend that I'm

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00:43:43,466 --> 00:43:45,166

that my fears are right

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00:43:45,166 --> 00:43:51,300

and that the Republican Party stays on the side of uh

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00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,333

let's pretend that Nick Fuentes is the next guy to that

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00:43:54,333 --> 00:43:57,366

where all the Republicans pivot to um

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00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:01,300

that dude is a Nazi who hates women

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00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:02,233

like hates them

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00:44:02,233 --> 00:44:02,700

and I don't

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00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,766

and I don't think all of that's just shock jock stuff

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00:44:05,766 --> 00:44:08,033

I think I think the dude's a lunatic um

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00:44:08,033 --> 00:44:10,100

but he's getting he's building a following

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00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,533

so let's pretend that things start going that way

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00:44:12,533 --> 00:44:14,933

and I think that's worse for society

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00:44:14,933 --> 00:44:16,433

I think that's worse in general

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00:44:16,733 --> 00:44:19,466

um as long as I still have the two party system

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00:44:19,633 --> 00:44:22,433

it's not gonna be in my best interest

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00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:25,966

to vote for anything other than Democrat

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00:44:26,033 --> 00:44:28,100

as long as to me

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00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,633

the alternative really really sucks

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00:44:30,833 --> 00:44:36,033

so how do we ever get to a three party system or

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00:44:36,033 --> 00:44:37,066

or or more

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00:44:37,066 --> 00:44:38,066

or whatever or

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00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,333

or change things so that so that

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00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,166

so that this so that we have choices beyond that how

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00:44:44,166 --> 00:44:46,266

how are we ever going to get there

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00:44:47,733 --> 00:44:50,033

aside from just continue we have to convince

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00:44:51,366 --> 00:44:55,533

we have to convince people that this best of

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00:44:55,533 --> 00:44:58,733

better of two evils argument is nonsense

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00:44:59,466 --> 00:45:04,533

and finally get at least a third of the population

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00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:08,266

to go to another candidate

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00:45:09,133 --> 00:45:09,833

or you know

:

00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:11,100

like even if say

:

00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,233

like the ultra lefties break off

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00:45:13,233 --> 00:45:15,066

they vote for Green Party

:

00:45:15,866 --> 00:45:18,666

and the true people that believe in freedom

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00:45:18,666 --> 00:45:21,366

break off from the Republicans and conservatives

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00:45:21,366 --> 00:45:23,000

and vote for libertarians

:

00:45:23,233 --> 00:45:27,066

now we're not at like 48% to 49%

:

00:45:27,233 --> 00:45:30,300

now we got a now you have a competition

:

00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,866

now you got four parties in the game

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00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:36,033

all running right around that 20%

:

00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:40,233

well that's all you

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00:45:40,233 --> 00:45:44,366

that's all you need you need half from each side

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00:45:44,433 --> 00:45:48,300

you need these people we were talking about this

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00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:52,433

in our North Georgia can meeting last night

:

00:45:52,433 --> 00:45:54,233

we were talking about how

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00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:55,500

one of our efforts

:

00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,733

is trying to find people to run as write in candidates

:

00:45:58,866 --> 00:46:00,333

for um

:

00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:02,933

an election where there is no opposition

:

00:46:03,366 --> 00:46:04,566

and um

:

00:46:04,566 --> 00:46:06,200

I can get into why

:

00:46:06,766 --> 00:46:10,033

why I I feel very strongly that we need to do that

:

00:46:10,033 --> 00:46:13,200

that every I believe that every single election

:

00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:15,866

needs to have at least two choices period

:

00:46:15,866 --> 00:46:16,866

end of discussion I don't

:

00:46:16,866 --> 00:46:20,466

I don't care if they're ideologically the same um

:

00:46:20,466 --> 00:46:22,733

but but by the time you get to the end

:

00:46:22,733 --> 00:46:25,166

not just the primary by the time you get to the end

:

00:46:25,166 --> 00:46:28,700

you need two choices at least two choices um

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00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:30,733

otherwise the people on the ballot

:

00:46:30,733 --> 00:46:33,133

have no incentive to do better

:

00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:36,433

or be different from what makes them comfortable

:

00:46:36,666 --> 00:46:37,466

um

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00:46:38,366 --> 00:46:40,833

so um

:

00:46:41,933 --> 00:46:43,533

anyway we were talking about

:

00:46:43,533 --> 00:46:45,433

how do you even get to the point

:

00:46:45,433 --> 00:46:48,200

where you have these people who are willing to run

:

00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:49,933

if most of the people I

:

00:46:49,933 --> 00:46:52,533

I asked like can any of us describe

:

00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:55,200

exactly what our county commissioners do

:

00:46:55,366 --> 00:46:56,600

myself included

:

00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,566

no none of us

:

00:46:59,566 --> 00:47:01,633

none of us can so to me

:

00:47:01,633 --> 00:47:03,433

the issue starts at again

:

00:47:03,433 --> 00:47:05,366

going back to getting involved at the

:

00:47:05,366 --> 00:47:06,466

most local level

:

00:47:06,466 --> 00:47:08,166

people don't know how their government works

:

00:47:08,166 --> 00:47:10,133

at all they

:

00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,866

when I ran for mayor I ended up voting on election day

:

00:47:13,866 --> 00:47:15,066

and um

:

00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:16,100

kind of at the last minute

:

00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,866

I got in line at like 6:45 cause I was

:

00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,066

I was um

:

00:47:20,066 --> 00:47:21,266

polls closed at 7 and I

:

00:47:21,266 --> 00:47:24,466

cause I was canvassing up until the point that I just

:

00:47:24,466 --> 00:47:26,500

that it got too dark for me to canvas anymore

:

00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:27,133

the day of

:

00:47:27,133 --> 00:47:30,133

trying to get people to go out to the polls and vote

:

00:47:31,633 --> 00:47:33,666

and I'm sitting in line

:

00:47:33,666 --> 00:47:35,500

and I'm hearing people around me

:

00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:38,033

who have not looked at any of the candidates

:

00:47:38,033 --> 00:47:39,366

they know they need to vote

:

00:47:39,433 --> 00:47:40,500

and they're looking up

:

00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,333

and discussing the candidates to each other in line

:

00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:46,533

and these are the people who are actually going to vote

:

00:47:46,633 --> 00:47:49,133

so we are just so disengaged

:

00:47:49,133 --> 00:47:50,333

we what I

:

00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:53,133

I think it's less than a third of the population

:

00:47:53,233 --> 00:47:55,666

maybe vote period

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00:47:56,633 --> 00:47:57,866

isn't that right

:

00:47:58,466 --> 00:47:59,666

yeah I think that

:

00:47:59,666 --> 00:48:02,533

that sounds right so we're not

:

00:48:02,533 --> 00:48:04,533

I don't think we're ever gonna get to the point

:

00:48:04,533 --> 00:48:05,800

that we have

:

00:48:06,433 --> 00:48:07,566

real conservatives

:

00:48:07,566 --> 00:48:09,433

split off and vote for conservatives

:

00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:15,000

and real leftists go split off and vote for leftists

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00:48:15,033 --> 00:48:17,033

leaving our two Republican parties high and dry

:

00:48:17,033 --> 00:48:19,066

I don't think we're ever gonna get to that point

:

00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:22,366

until we get people more involved on

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00:48:22,366 --> 00:48:23,933

on such a fundamental level

:

00:48:23,933 --> 00:48:27,200

and I think this is like almost generations of work

:

00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,466

that we would need concerted effort

:

00:48:30,266 --> 00:48:33,900

put toward and the only other way to fix that quickly

:

00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:34,266

I think

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00:48:34,266 --> 00:48:36,733

would be some kind of social or monetary incentive

:

00:48:36,733 --> 00:48:39,600

like you pay a fine in Australia if you don't vote

:

00:48:39,633 --> 00:48:41,633

so since you know you're going to have to vote

:

00:48:41,633 --> 00:48:42,733

which is awful

:

00:48:43,066 --> 00:48:46,933

because your right to not vote is just as strong as

:

00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,033

your right to vote and I would agree with you

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00:48:49,033 --> 00:48:50,133

I I wouldn't like that

:

00:48:50,133 --> 00:48:52,633

and I also think which Obama did

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00:48:52,633 --> 00:48:54,866

did did float that out there

:

00:48:55,066 --> 00:48:56,300

yeah I think I

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00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,433

I agree with having an incentive to vote

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00:49:00,166 --> 00:49:02,866

but not a punishment not to vote

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00:49:03,133 --> 00:49:05,733

I like I like um economic

:

00:49:05,733 --> 00:49:08,633

financial and social incentives in a direction like

:

00:49:08,633 --> 00:49:10,233

to me those are different things

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00:49:10,233 --> 00:49:14,266

punishment versus reward um yeah

:

00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,866

um so anyway I

:

00:49:17,866 --> 00:49:18,666

I keep I I

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00:49:18,666 --> 00:49:20,933

I love our I love our rabbit holes

:

00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:23,966

but I'm gonna go back so we did no kings in the way and

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00:49:25,266 --> 00:49:25,866

that did we

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00:49:25,866 --> 00:49:27,666

did we put a pin in this or can

:

00:49:27,666 --> 00:49:28,533

should I go back to no

:

00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:28,833

yeah I think

:

00:49:28,833 --> 00:49:29,900

I think we could put a pin in it

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00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:32,033

I think we should this is my add brain just like

:

00:49:32,033 --> 00:49:33,466

going in spirals like

:

00:49:33,466 --> 00:49:35,466

like like we get to other things

:

00:49:35,466 --> 00:49:37,233

and then it goes back to here

:

00:49:37,233 --> 00:49:38,233

okay now we're gonna

:

00:49:38,833 --> 00:49:43,433

yep and we keep adding different layers of of of um

:

00:49:44,266 --> 00:49:46,533

detail as we continue the spiral

:

00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:51,166

so we did our event in Canton

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00:49:51,166 --> 00:49:53,833

Georgia and Canton

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00:49:54,266 --> 00:49:56,833

I'm gonna show you a map because I think it's fun

:

00:49:57,366 --> 00:49:58,466

um oh

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00:49:58,466 --> 00:50:00,133

Canton Georgia has this thing

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00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:05,833

very nice so we have been doing regular weekly protests

:

00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,966

we're trying to spread um

:

00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:12,233

partly because we've had people want to spread say oh

:

00:50:12,233 --> 00:50:14,100

I wish y'all would do something here

:

00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,866

I wish people would come here and do this

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00:50:16,866 --> 00:50:17,966

up in this town blah

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00:50:17,966 --> 00:50:18,766

blah blah

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00:50:18,833 --> 00:50:22,000

so we try to enable people

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00:50:25,966 --> 00:50:27,566

come on here we go

:

00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:29,233

we try to enable people

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00:50:29,233 --> 00:50:31,900

in whatever kind of action they want to do

:

00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:34,033

and a lot of times protesting is kind of like

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00:50:34,033 --> 00:50:36,833

a gateway drug to actual involvement

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00:50:36,866 --> 00:50:39,633

which is one of my defenses of things like no kings

:

00:50:39,766 --> 00:50:41,800

you can get people to go to no kings

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00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,266

who never participate at all

:

00:50:44,266 --> 00:50:46,233

because it's it's like a big party

:

00:50:46,233 --> 00:50:48,366

kind of and then hopefully

:

00:50:48,366 --> 00:50:50,233

what you're doing is connecting with them

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00:50:50,233 --> 00:50:51,333

and giving them information

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00:50:51,333 --> 00:50:53,133

and getting them to come back

:

00:50:53,266 --> 00:50:56,333

um so it's sort of like having a potluck at a church

:

00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:58,133

where the community is welcome to come

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00:50:58,133 --> 00:50:59,333

you hope they will be like

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00:50:59,333 --> 00:51:00,633

oh this is a nice church

:

00:51:00,633 --> 00:51:02,700

I didn't have a terrible time

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00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,366

maybe I'll come back to you know

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00:51:05,366 --> 00:51:07,500

Bible study or whatever if if

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00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,733

uh huh religion is

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00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:10,300

is is a terrible example

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00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:10,700

but you know

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00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,700

it's kind of the same no

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00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,433

but I think I think that's a good example

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00:51:13,433 --> 00:51:14,066

I I mean

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00:51:14,066 --> 00:51:17,533

I totally agree with the like

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00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:18,333

the the

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00:51:18,633 --> 00:51:19,700

your thought behind it

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00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:20,366

like how yeah

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00:51:20,366 --> 00:51:22,433

why you would organize how you would and

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00:51:22,433 --> 00:51:24,566

and what the goal is

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00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:27,133

and it also can be because it's visible

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00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:27,433

like

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00:51:27,433 --> 00:51:30,866

it can be encouraging to other people who had a bad day

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00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,266

um something like my husband's business

:

00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:36,533

I'm not gonna get too much into the details

:

00:51:36,533 --> 00:51:38,033

for privacy reasons but

:

00:51:38,033 --> 00:51:41,566

his business has been directly affected

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00:51:41,666 --> 00:51:43,466

by some of Trump's policies

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00:51:43,766 --> 00:51:44,333

um it

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00:51:44,333 --> 00:51:46,733

it has hurt our pocketbooks

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00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:47,833

and it's a family business

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00:51:47,833 --> 00:51:49,966

so it hurts the entire family

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00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,633

um and so

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00:51:52,633 --> 00:51:55,866

you know you're coming home from a day of Trump

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00:51:55,866 --> 00:51:57,733

just fucking your business in the ass

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00:51:57,733 --> 00:51:59,966

over a barrel and

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00:51:59,966 --> 00:52:03,033

and you drive by an intersection

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00:52:03,033 --> 00:52:04,566

and there are people with signs out

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00:52:04,566 --> 00:52:05,866

that can be encouraging

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00:52:05,866 --> 00:52:08,166

because it makes people feel like they're not alone

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00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,166

that there are people doing something to fight back

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00:52:11,166 --> 00:52:12,133

even if

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00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:15,100

maybe that all that person ever does is go wave signs

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00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,366

but usually the people who are consistent

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00:52:17,366 --> 00:52:18,966

are also active in other ways

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00:52:18,966 --> 00:52:20,833

the sign waving is just another fun thing

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00:52:20,833 --> 00:52:23,033

that they like to do um

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00:52:23,133 --> 00:52:23,466

so

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00:52:23,466 --> 00:52:26,900

we've been doing protest down here pretty consistently

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00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:28,666

because it's a busy intersection

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00:52:28,666 --> 00:52:30,766

what you want is high visibility

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00:52:31,533 --> 00:52:32,666

so um

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00:52:32,666 --> 00:52:35,166

this is the intersection we chose

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00:52:35,166 --> 00:52:36,766

and this is

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00:52:36,966 --> 00:52:39,133

I guess they were doing construction here back then

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00:52:39,133 --> 00:52:40,433

but it's it's active

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00:52:40,433 --> 00:52:42,066

and there's a taco truck there now

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00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:44,766

so there's food this is a Latin

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00:52:45,366 --> 00:52:47,133

a pretty high rate of um

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00:52:47,133 --> 00:52:48,766

Latinos who live here

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00:52:48,766 --> 00:52:52,000

Canton has a higher percentage of Latinos

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00:52:52,566 --> 00:52:54,033

um as it's pop as

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00:52:54,033 --> 00:52:57,633

as it's making up its population than um

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00:52:57,633 --> 00:52:59,066

Woodstock does so like

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00:52:59,066 --> 00:53:01,800

there's a Latino grocery somewhere around here

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00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:03,533

somewhere around I think it's this one

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00:53:03,566 --> 00:53:07,033

um there are some Latino owned businesses in here

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00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:08,400

and um

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00:53:09,033 --> 00:53:10,933

a lot of what we want to do too

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00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:13,333

is let immigrant communities know

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00:53:13,333 --> 00:53:15,633

that there are people on their side uh

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00:53:15,633 --> 00:53:16,966

who don't want

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00:53:17,133 --> 00:53:19,066

human rights violations committed against them

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00:53:19,066 --> 00:53:20,633

at minimum um

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00:53:20,633 --> 00:53:21,566

you know the

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00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:23,566

the right wants to paint us as oh

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00:53:23,566 --> 00:53:24,933

we want all you know

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00:53:24,933 --> 00:53:26,766

we want pure open borders

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00:53:26,766 --> 00:53:29,866

and we want all the illegals to vote

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00:53:29,866 --> 00:53:31,166

that's not that's not it

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00:53:31,166 --> 00:53:32,833

like most of us are just like

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00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:34,166

if we're going to deport them

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00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:36,600

can we do it in a way that's humane

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00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,066

um can we not send them to camps

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00:53:40,066 --> 00:53:41,833

where they're clearly not getting fed

:

00:53:41,833 --> 00:53:43,833

and people are dying at a crazy rate

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00:53:44,266 --> 00:53:46,166

uh can we not traumatize children

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00:53:46,166 --> 00:53:47,366

can we try not to do that

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00:53:47,366 --> 00:53:49,333

and that apparently that's

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00:53:49,333 --> 00:53:51,033

that's too high a bar um

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00:53:51,033 --> 00:53:52,866

for some people to even contemplate

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00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,866

so this is where we held our no Kings event

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00:53:56,866 --> 00:54:00,766

and we we have stopped getting permits for our protests

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00:54:00,766 --> 00:54:04,766

for a variety of reasons we started when we started out

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00:54:04,766 --> 00:54:07,800

we were doing my cat came to say hello

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00:54:07,933 --> 00:54:09,266

she's meowing at me

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00:54:10,166 --> 00:54:11,400

do you remember meringue

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00:54:12,066 --> 00:54:13,166

oh yeah

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00:54:14,966 --> 00:54:16,966

she's still a good girl so we

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00:54:16,966 --> 00:54:19,200

we've stopped doing um

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00:54:20,366 --> 00:54:25,233

permits for our protests because it's a lot of money

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00:54:25,566 --> 00:54:29,133

a lot of cities that want to um

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00:54:29,933 --> 00:54:35,333

disincentivized protesting have started creating um

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00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:36,300

they they've started

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00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,466

I mean you could you

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00:54:38,666 --> 00:54:40,066

so you could actually argue

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00:54:40,066 --> 00:54:42,600

it's unconstitutional to have to get a permit

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00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:46,900

I agree and so that's also because we we

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00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:50,066

we first started getting them to try to show hey

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00:54:50,066 --> 00:54:51,966

we're trying to cooperate with you

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00:54:51,966 --> 00:54:54,166

we're trying to do the right thing

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00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:56,466

we're trying to make you happy

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00:54:56,633 --> 00:54:58,666

local government and um

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00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:00,766

then we stopped doing it just cause it's expensive

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00:55:00,766 --> 00:55:03,433

and it also felt like they were trying to charge us

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00:55:03,466 --> 00:55:06,533

17 arms and six legs now we haven't ever tried to get a

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00:55:06,633 --> 00:55:08,866

we have not ever tried to get a um

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00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,133

a permit in the city of Canton

:

00:55:13,133 --> 00:55:13,533

because

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00:55:13,533 --> 00:55:17,500

we abandoned getting permits on a regular basis

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00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:19,033

except um

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00:55:20,166 --> 00:55:24,033

except uh but before we went over there

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00:55:24,033 --> 00:55:27,000

and the only time we get them is if we um

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00:55:27,266 --> 00:55:29,700

if we want to do something that requires a permit

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00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:30,166

period that

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00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:31,100

that's it we're

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00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:32,433

we're not gonna do it anymore

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00:55:32,433 --> 00:55:34,833

ever again just for funsies

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00:55:35,466 --> 00:55:39,100

so we used to do our we

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00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:40,900

we did our first no Kings

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00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,133

down here in downtown Woodstock

:

00:55:43,133 --> 00:55:45,633

and it's a really great location

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00:55:45,633 --> 00:55:46,600

this year

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00:55:46,733 --> 00:55:49,533

the group that did the one in downtown Woodstock

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00:55:49,533 --> 00:55:51,200

is a different group from us

:

00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:52,100

um

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00:55:52,933 --> 00:55:56,566

they got a permit but they were not allowed to get

:

00:55:56,566 --> 00:56:00,333

a permit for the business side of the street

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00:56:00,466 --> 00:56:04,766

so what we've seen cities do is they say

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00:56:04,766 --> 00:56:05,966

here's your permit

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00:56:06,566 --> 00:56:10,333

um you have to put down how many people you expect

:

00:56:10,466 --> 00:56:13,133

in theory if you have a different number

:

00:56:13,133 --> 00:56:14,933

more people for example

:

00:56:14,933 --> 00:56:17,133

show up than you expect and

:

00:56:17,133 --> 00:56:18,133

it's very hard to know

:

00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:20,066

how many people are showing up for these things

:

00:56:20,066 --> 00:56:22,333

because not everybody's in an RSVP

:

00:56:22,933 --> 00:56:23,733

um

:

00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:26,566

they'll use that information against you

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00:56:26,566 --> 00:56:26,933

and I've

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00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:30,600

and I've had somebody from the city of Woodstock

:

00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:32,666

argue with me and

:

00:56:32,666 --> 00:56:35,166

about how many people who actually showed up

:

00:56:35,166 --> 00:56:36,833

and so that's another reason

:

00:56:36,833 --> 00:56:38,533

why I don't wanna try to get a permit

:

00:56:38,533 --> 00:56:40,966

because it's information that they can use against us

:

00:56:40,966 --> 00:56:41,700

say see

:

00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:43,100

you had too many people show up

:

00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:44,666

so at this actual event well

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00:56:44,666 --> 00:56:47,900

I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it says pretty clearly

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00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:49,966

in the First Amendment we have the

:

00:56:49,966 --> 00:56:52,333

we all have the peaceful right to assembly

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00:56:52,333 --> 00:56:53,833

they literally do not care

:

00:56:53,833 --> 00:56:54,566

it doesn't say that

:

00:56:54,566 --> 00:56:57,033

we have to get a permit to peacefully assemble

:

00:56:57,033 --> 00:56:57,733

no no

:

00:56:57,733 --> 00:56:59,766

it doesn't I have had like this

:

00:56:59,766 --> 00:57:05,100

I fucking hate the city of Woodstock as a whole

:

00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,600

not like every single person in it

:

00:57:07,633 --> 00:57:09,333

but the things that they have done

:

00:57:09,333 --> 00:57:11,733

to undermine freedom of speech

:

00:57:11,766 --> 00:57:13,966

is appalling um

:

00:57:13,966 --> 00:57:15,700

like there's a guy

:

00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:18,333

there's a guy who runs the parks and rec department

:

00:57:18,333 --> 00:57:19,566

who has tried to get me

:

00:57:19,566 --> 00:57:22,066

and another guy who ran for office arrested

:

00:57:22,066 --> 00:57:24,333

at least twice um

:

00:57:24,333 --> 00:57:27,066

who keeps insisting that if the

:

00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:28,433

if the um

:

00:57:28,966 --> 00:57:31,133

sidewalks are wider than a certain amount

:

00:57:31,133 --> 00:57:32,333

then they're legally trails

:

00:57:32,333 --> 00:57:34,300

and they no longer count as public sidewalks

:

00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:36,133

they're public trails so we can't and

:

00:57:36,133 --> 00:57:38,066

and that's been shot they're public

:

00:57:38,066 --> 00:57:39,633

paid by taxpayer you can still

:

00:57:39,766 --> 00:57:40,900

yeah it's fucking public

:

00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:42,633

deal with it they've had us say oh

:

00:57:42,633 --> 00:57:44,333

you're too close to the railroad

:

00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:46,566

you have to move like the this they

:

00:57:46,566 --> 00:57:47,866

they have and and

:

00:57:47,866 --> 00:57:50,666

and they do this to people that they disagree with

:

00:57:50,666 --> 00:57:54,066

not everyone we currently have straight up neo Nazis

:

00:57:54,066 --> 00:57:56,466

with AK forty Sevens and Trump flags

:

00:57:56,566 --> 00:58:00,466

currently hanging out at this same intersection that

:

00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:02,800

I swear to god I the

:

00:58:02,933 --> 00:58:05,866

the Cherokee County Democrats with a tiny table

:

00:58:05,866 --> 00:58:08,466

have been asked to move from that area multiple times

:

00:58:08,466 --> 00:58:10,233

because it's too close to the train tracks

:

00:58:10,233 --> 00:58:13,633

and I'm gonna catch it quick on a fact check

:

00:58:13,666 --> 00:58:15,333

before we have to catch it later

:

00:58:15,566 --> 00:58:16,533

yeah just I

:

00:58:16,533 --> 00:58:19,866

I highly doubt any of them are carrying AK forty Sevens

:

00:58:19,866 --> 00:58:22,300

maybe AR fifteens no

:

00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,900

because AK forty seven is almost impossible to get

:

00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:27,933

really yes

:

00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:28,533

well let's see

:

00:58:28,533 --> 00:58:29,800

probably an AR fifteen

:

00:58:30,533 --> 00:58:31,666

okay yeah

:

00:58:31,666 --> 00:58:34,133

AK forty seven I knew a guy that got one

:

00:58:34,133 --> 00:58:34,933

that had one I

:

00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:38,533

I painted his uh magazines uh Chrome

:

00:58:38,966 --> 00:58:40,133

he's a collector

:

00:58:40,666 --> 00:58:42,966

and you want some Scarface ass looking gun

:

00:58:42,966 --> 00:58:46,833

but uh AK forty Sevens are heavily restricted

:

00:58:46,833 --> 00:58:48,300

how much paperwork you have to do

:

00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:49,466

to be able to acquire one

:

00:58:49,466 --> 00:58:50,866

and the background checks

:

00:58:53,066 --> 00:58:55,666

are they always wooden down here

:

00:58:55,866 --> 00:58:56,833

no nope

:

00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:58,533

no but I'm

:

00:58:58,533 --> 00:59:01,433

I'm most likely they're carrying AR fifteens

:

00:59:01,533 --> 00:59:02,566

which looks scary

:

00:59:02,566 --> 00:59:07,133

but you can also make AR fifteen in all wood

:

00:59:07,466 --> 00:59:09,100

and it looks like a hunting rifle

:

00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:10,466

so it's just

:

00:59:10,533 --> 00:59:12,733

it's just about the plastic they put on them

:

00:59:12,733 --> 00:59:13,133

but yeah

:

00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:15,133

AK forty seven yeah

:

00:59:15,133 --> 00:59:17,166

it's not a gun that people like have

:

00:59:17,166 --> 00:59:19,466

like you can't go to the store and buy one of those

:

00:59:19,533 --> 00:59:20,133

okay the

:

00:59:20,133 --> 00:59:21,266

the guy who does it

:

00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:24,066

one of the guys who does it is a real outspoken

:

00:59:24,066 --> 00:59:26,466

like he's just real big on Second Amendment

:

00:59:26,466 --> 00:59:29,133

and just has to carry which is fine

:

00:59:29,366 --> 00:59:30,033

you know yeah

:

00:59:30,033 --> 00:59:32,700

it's just a little douchey and obnoxious

:

00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,466

to do that in downtown Woodstock

:

00:59:34,466 --> 00:59:36,300

on a Saturday um

:

00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,466

but if any I just wanted to catch you on that too

:

00:59:39,466 --> 00:59:40,966

because that's that's just probably

:

00:59:40,966 --> 00:59:42,166

that's like a little fact check

:

00:59:42,166 --> 00:59:43,533

thank you for correcting me on that

:

00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:45,133

cause my dad was a gun nut

:

00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,266

and he would have been offended at me

:

00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:48,266

but um okay

:

00:59:48,266 --> 00:59:49,933

maybe an AR fifteen I

:

00:59:49,933 --> 00:59:51,700

I'm actually really curious now

:

00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:54,233

about whether or not it is an AK forty seven

:

00:59:54,233 --> 00:59:55,533

cause somebody thought it was

:

00:59:55,533 --> 00:59:56,800

but that doesn't mean anything

:

00:59:57,166 --> 00:59:57,966

um

:

00:59:58,700 --> 00:59:59,933

and but I mean

:

00:59:59,933 --> 01:00:02,633

you can see how similar they can look mm hmm

:

01:00:04,833 --> 01:00:06,333

but anyway like there

:

01:00:06,333 --> 01:00:09,133

it's just we we've seen a lot of um

:

01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:11,266

selective enforcement and

:

01:00:11,266 --> 01:00:13,433

what a lot of places are doing now

:

01:00:13,433 --> 01:00:16,533

and this time with this other organization that

:

01:00:16,533 --> 01:00:19,266

that hosted the event in downtown Woodstock

:

01:00:20,233 --> 01:00:22,033

the city of Woodstock jumped on this train

:

01:00:22,033 --> 01:00:23,933

of requiring insurance now

:

01:00:23,933 --> 01:00:26,066

I don't even know how they got insurance

:

01:00:26,066 --> 01:00:28,633

because it's been very difficult

:

01:00:28,866 --> 01:00:30,666

for a lot of these organizations

:

01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:33,566

to get insurance for political events

:

01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:35,933

because there has been so much violence

:

01:00:35,933 --> 01:00:37,466

at political events

:

01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,433

people like there

:

01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:43,566

there we I've heard from some small communities

:

01:00:43,566 --> 01:00:46,000

that don't know how to do a permitted event

:

01:00:46,366 --> 01:00:48,333

because they're like well

:

01:00:48,333 --> 01:00:49,700

they're saying I have to get insurance

:

01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:49,833

and

:

01:00:49,833 --> 01:00:52,333

none of the places that will give insurance for this

:

01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:53,900

will do it for a political event

:

01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:55,633

and anyway it's crazy expensive

:

01:00:55,833 --> 01:01:00,166

so this organization ended up paying about $1,000 in

:

01:01:00,166 --> 01:01:03,433

in permits and fees to be able to do a protest

:

01:01:03,633 --> 01:01:04,566

and we're just I'm

:

01:01:04,566 --> 01:01:06,500

I'm not into that I'm not into that

:

01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:06,866

I'm not

:

01:01:06,866 --> 01:01:09,633

I don't wanna pay 100% for my fucking First Amendment

:

01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:11,133

right I'm not doing it

:

01:01:11,366 --> 01:01:13,266

so um we

:

01:01:13,266 --> 01:01:17,066

we just try to get people to line up on the sidewalk

:

01:01:17,066 --> 01:01:19,933

the rules are you can you can um

:

01:01:20,466 --> 01:01:20,766

I mean

:

01:01:20,766 --> 01:01:23,100

the city of Woodstock even tried to put in an ordinance

:

01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,233

that if more than three people are gathered

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01:01:25,233 --> 01:01:26,366

they have to have a permit

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01:01:26,366 --> 01:01:26,500

and

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01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:29,133

I don't know if they just decided not to enforce that

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01:01:29,133 --> 01:01:31,733

or if it got struck down by their lawyers or something

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01:01:31,733 --> 01:01:33,466

it was clearly illegal

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01:01:33,533 --> 01:01:36,500

but cities can put anything they want in an ordinance

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01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:39,300

and then you can get in trouble and

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01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:40,833

you know threatened with jail or whatever

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01:01:40,833 --> 01:01:42,733

and then you just have to take them to court

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01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:44,566

to get it fixed you know

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01:01:44,566 --> 01:01:46,266

so that's what the government does

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01:01:46,266 --> 01:01:49,100

is they basically put the blockades up to challenge you

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01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:51,433

to take them to court and if they can get away with it

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01:01:51,433 --> 01:01:52,833

then they can take your rights away

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01:01:52,833 --> 01:01:53,666

so you have to right

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01:01:53,966 --> 01:01:55,866

be willing to go the distance

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01:01:55,866 --> 01:01:57,333

but I mean that's

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01:01:57,733 --> 01:02:00,066

they're gonna lose in court guaranteed because yeah

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01:02:00,066 --> 01:02:00,866

it's they will

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01:02:01,433 --> 01:02:02,333

they will and

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01:02:04,666 --> 01:02:07,166

I will fight fucking tooth and nail

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01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:07,733

I will and

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01:02:07,733 --> 01:02:09,766

and I think they might know that now

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01:02:09,766 --> 01:02:11,633

so maybe that's why they quit

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01:02:11,633 --> 01:02:12,266

I don't know I

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01:02:12,266 --> 01:02:13,366

I haven't it's

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01:02:13,366 --> 01:02:15,066

it's hard to keep up with again it's

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01:02:15,066 --> 01:02:17,766

it's hard enough to keep up with things

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01:02:17,766 --> 01:02:21,800

that are consistent let alone constantly changing rules

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01:02:21,933 --> 01:02:24,633

so when we have when we have our protest

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01:02:24,633 --> 01:02:28,333

we also do protests in this area every Saturday

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01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,300

so we do them right now in Canton and Woodstock

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01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,700

every Saturday and we're gonna move to another town

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01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:35,533

as soon as we have enough people

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01:02:35,533 --> 01:02:37,100

consistently showing up in one

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01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:38,766

or as soon as we have

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01:02:38,766 --> 01:02:40,500

we may have a critical mass of people

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01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:42,133

who want to host another one

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01:02:43,466 --> 01:02:45,666

and it's just about serving the community's needs

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01:02:45,666 --> 01:02:47,700

there are some communities where we have people

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01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:49,100

that it is important to them

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01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:50,700

to protest and they believe it's

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01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:51,933

and they believe it matters

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01:02:51,933 --> 01:02:52,700

and to a certain extent

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01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:55,566

if you believe it matters and it builds community

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,966

and you think it changes then it does

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01:02:57,966 --> 01:02:59,433

it really does and

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01:02:59,433 --> 01:03:01,266

you know there are people driving by all the time

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01:03:01,266 --> 01:03:02,433

who think it does nothing

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01:03:02,433 --> 01:03:04,133

but there are some people who are gonna drive by

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01:03:04,133 --> 01:03:06,300

and it means a lot to them and

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01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:06,833

and you know I

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01:03:06,833 --> 01:03:09,333

I believe in a diversity of efforts

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01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:11,700

I don't believe that we all have to protest

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01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:13,633

or that protest is the only thing but

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01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:15,533

but it works for some people

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01:03:17,433 --> 01:03:21,066

so we we just tell them to line up um it

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01:03:21,066 --> 01:03:22,566

you cannot block the street

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01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:24,166

you cannot block the sidewalk

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01:03:24,166 --> 01:03:26,100

you cannot interfere with pedestrian traffic

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01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,266

so we just try to get people to line up uh

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01:03:28,266 --> 01:03:30,500

as close to the um

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01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,966

grass as possible staying on the sidewalk

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01:03:32,966 --> 01:03:34,766

we try to keep people off the grass

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01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,566

and uh we want them far away from the curb

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01:03:37,566 --> 01:03:41,100

so that it's clear that you can walk through here

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01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:42,833

yep and then we all

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01:03:42,833 --> 01:03:45,066

usually people will slowly get closer and closer

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01:03:45,066 --> 01:03:46,166

and closer to the cars

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01:03:46,166 --> 01:03:47,666

cause they want to show people their signs

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01:03:47,666 --> 01:03:48,833

you know and it's just and

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01:03:48,833 --> 01:03:51,066

and so you just have to occasionally correct them

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01:03:51,066 --> 01:03:52,900

or tell them please don't get on the grass

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01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:54,666

please don't go over here to the

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01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:56,433

you know please don't go stand on the train track

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01:03:56,433 --> 01:03:58,133

so you can be in the shade whatever

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01:03:58,166 --> 01:03:59,033

yeah cause you don't

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01:03:59,033 --> 01:03:59,733

you don't want to

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01:03:59,733 --> 01:04:02,233

invite the government to start cracking down

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01:04:02,233 --> 01:04:03,166

no no

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01:04:03,166 --> 01:04:03,900

so so

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01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:07,533

we try really hard to get people to be safe and legal

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01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:09,266

um with our protests

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01:04:09,266 --> 01:04:10,833

and if it's a bigger event

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01:04:11,033 --> 01:04:11,833

we tell people

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01:04:11,833 --> 01:04:15,600

absolutely do not interact with counter protesters

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01:04:15,866 --> 01:04:18,033

if it's we can't control it

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01:04:18,033 --> 01:04:19,033

but we can put it out

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01:04:19,033 --> 01:04:21,433

in the vibe that we would really rather you not

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01:04:21,433 --> 01:04:23,066

and it's because in bigger events

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01:04:23,066 --> 01:04:24,666

with bigger crowds it's

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01:04:24,666 --> 01:04:28,466

there's a higher risk of bad behavior escalating

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01:04:28,466 --> 01:04:31,233

and creating really bad problems

:

01:04:31,566 --> 01:04:35,233

versus if it's if there's only 15 of us

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01:04:35,233 --> 01:04:37,733

and one asshole drives by and goes

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01:04:38,033 --> 01:04:38,700

Yay Trump

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01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,433

I don't care what you scream at him

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01:04:40,433 --> 01:04:41,733

he's driving past yeah

:

01:04:41,733 --> 01:04:43,133

he's probably not gonna get out of his truck

:

01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:44,933

and try to beat you up um

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01:04:44,933 --> 01:04:45,700

if he does

:

01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:48,366

the worst thing he can do is hurt 15 other people

:

01:04:48,366 --> 01:04:50,333

if all of you pile onto him

:

01:04:50,366 --> 01:04:51,566

versus if we have like

:

01:04:51,566 --> 01:04:53,900

thousands of people or hundreds of people out there

:

01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:55,633

it could get really bad really fast

:

01:04:55,833 --> 01:04:59,066

that being said we know that at any point in time

:

01:04:59,066 --> 01:05:01,766

anybody could shoot us anybody could run us over

:

01:05:01,866 --> 01:05:04,133

and you just have to know that that's a risk

:

01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:05,933

and you know

:

01:05:05,933 --> 01:05:06,533

to me that's

:

01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:10,133

part of why it's important to exercise these rights is

:

01:05:10,266 --> 01:05:11,433

is um

:

01:05:12,166 --> 01:05:13,766

that they all come with risks

:

01:05:13,766 --> 01:05:14,700

and they wouldn't come with

:

01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:16,733

risks if they weren't important

:

01:05:16,966 --> 01:05:20,033

um but we also try to let people know that

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01:05:20,033 --> 01:05:21,766

we're fighting for the rights of the asshole

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01:05:21,766 --> 01:05:23,066

to say yay Trump

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01:05:23,466 --> 01:05:26,100

but you don't have to keep your mouth shut if

:

01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,066

if you want to say something back to him

:

01:05:28,066 --> 01:05:30,233

as long as you're not instigating a fight

:

01:05:30,233 --> 01:05:31,866

and again we can't control people

:

01:05:31,866 --> 01:05:35,666

so the most we can do is is vibes um

:

01:05:35,833 --> 01:05:38,066

you know unless they're doing something illegal and

:

01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:40,266

and we wanna call the cops on somebody

:

01:05:40,266 --> 01:05:41,966

which we really don't wanna do

:

01:05:41,966 --> 01:05:44,366

and nor do the cops wanna have anything to do with that

:

01:05:44,433 --> 01:05:45,233

um we

:

01:05:45,233 --> 01:05:47,466

we try to be as hands off as possible

:

01:05:47,466 --> 01:05:48,866

and that's just our culture

:

01:05:48,866 --> 01:05:50,000

like as a group

:

01:05:50,566 --> 01:05:52,133

we're a little bit more Anarkic

:

01:05:52,133 --> 01:05:53,566

Anarkic yeah

:

01:05:53,566 --> 01:05:55,800

Anarkic compared to some groups

:

01:05:56,366 --> 01:06:01,233

so we had about 3:50 to 400 people show up in Canton

:

01:06:01,233 --> 01:06:02,966

which is smaller than last year

:

01:06:02,966 --> 01:06:06,733

but there also were more events

:

01:06:06,733 --> 01:06:11,433

in North Cherokee County Georgia um

:

01:06:12,233 --> 01:06:13,700

which is where most of the people

:

01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:15,666

going to Canton would have come from

:

01:06:15,933 --> 01:06:18,233

um let me see if I can find a map

:

01:06:18,466 --> 01:06:21,500

so I don't feel bad about it because like

:

01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:23,300

we were all happy with the outcome

:

01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:27,400

and also I felt a little bit like

:

01:06:28,033 --> 01:06:30,666

so here's here's Cherokee County

:

01:06:31,333 --> 01:06:34,600

and we have um

:

01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:35,666

name you know

:

01:06:35,666 --> 01:06:38,833

we sometimes do stuff with our neighboring counties but

:

01:06:38,866 --> 01:06:39,666

um

:

01:06:40,233 --> 01:06:41,033

there

:

01:06:43,266 --> 01:06:44,933

this third no Kings

:

01:06:44,933 --> 01:06:47,133

I didn't feel as excited about

:

01:06:47,266 --> 01:06:51,200

and a lot of it is because of feeling like

:

01:06:51,533 --> 01:06:54,366

we need to try to get people involved more

:

01:06:54,366 --> 01:06:57,933

if two no kings have gone by and you've

:

01:06:58,133 --> 01:07:00,433

you're still not going to your city council

:

01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:03,433

or your county commissioner meetings ever

:

01:07:03,833 --> 01:07:04,633

um

:

01:07:05,266 --> 01:07:09,066

you don't care that much and um

:

01:07:09,433 --> 01:07:10,033

it is like

:

01:07:10,033 --> 01:07:11,866

pulling teeth to get people to come to those meetings

:

01:07:11,866 --> 01:07:13,666

still so it

:

01:07:13,666 --> 01:07:17,466

it can be tiring to feel like you know

:

01:07:19,333 --> 01:07:20,933

you can't make people do anything

:

01:07:20,933 --> 01:07:22,200

all you can do is try yeah

:

01:07:22,333 --> 01:07:25,866

create scenarios where they want to do it

:

01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:30,633

and I'm not superhuman none of us are so yeah

:

01:07:31,066 --> 01:07:31,633

well see

:

01:07:31,633 --> 01:07:33,166

and I some like

:

01:07:33,433 --> 01:07:36,666

I feel like the right protest for this weekend

:

01:07:36,666 --> 01:07:37,866

was right there

:

01:07:38,833 --> 01:07:42,866

and instead it was no kings this last weekend

:

01:07:42,866 --> 01:07:43,900

what what one would have been right

:

01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:46,300

but the right protest was there to be had

:

01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:48,033

and it and it just wasn't

:

01:07:48,033 --> 01:07:49,533

cause I feel like especially

:

01:07:49,533 --> 01:07:51,233

I mean all the no kings protest

:

01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:52,266

to me those

:

01:07:52,266 --> 01:07:54,266

it actually meant no Republicans

:

01:07:54,433 --> 01:07:55,600

no Donald Trump

:

01:07:56,166 --> 01:08:01,000

and I think a more unifying message would have been

:

01:08:01,033 --> 01:08:02,033

no war

:

01:08:03,133 --> 01:08:04,133

yeah cause

:

01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:07,033

the majority of the population does not want this war

:

01:08:07,033 --> 01:08:09,333

especially how horribly it's going

:

01:08:09,533 --> 01:08:11,300

and that

:

01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,533

cause that I think would have drawn more people

:

01:08:14,566 --> 01:08:20,766

and it could have united people instead of divided and

:

01:08:20,833 --> 01:08:21,833

and actually

:

01:08:21,833 --> 01:08:26,800

try to put pressure on all of our members of Congress

:

01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:28,366

to fight to to

:

01:08:28,366 --> 01:08:30,500

to do a war resolution vote and

:

01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:31,666

vote it down

:

01:08:32,266 --> 01:08:33,633

yeah take their power

:

01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:35,966

I think you're right I think you're right

:

01:08:35,966 --> 01:08:37,766

I think that would have been better

:

01:08:37,766 --> 01:08:40,300

and I think the people who are organizing it

:

01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:41,933

the people who come up with the message

:

01:08:41,933 --> 01:08:44,466

think that no kings is a unifying message

:

01:08:44,466 --> 01:08:45,933

because we were founded

:

01:08:45,966 --> 01:08:47,966

fighting against an insane king

:

01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:52,266

but as long as the other party can say look

:

01:08:52,266 --> 01:08:53,766

we still don't have a king hey

:

01:08:53,766 --> 01:08:55,100

you're protested really well

:

01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,366

we still don't have a king

:

01:08:56,666 --> 01:08:58,433

then it's not fucking resonating

:

01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,466

but but you can't argue against the no war

:

01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:04,133

you cannot have a dumb argument against the no war

:

01:09:04,133 --> 01:09:04,866

it I'm

:

01:09:04,866 --> 01:09:06,566

you can if you're an asshole

:

01:09:06,666 --> 01:09:07,533

but um

:

01:09:07,533 --> 01:09:08,733

the next thing but

:

01:09:08,733 --> 01:09:11,833

but you have the population on your side for that one

:

01:09:11,833 --> 01:09:13,333

yes yes

:

01:09:13,466 --> 01:09:15,666

the next thing that these organizations

:

01:09:15,666 --> 01:09:17,833

so this is a I think this organization

:

01:09:17,833 --> 01:09:21,933

might be affiliated with indivisible um

:

01:09:21,933 --> 01:09:24,266

I'm not 100% sure let me keep scrolling down

:

01:09:24,266 --> 01:09:25,366

I can't I don't know but

:

01:09:25,366 --> 01:09:27,000

but Mayday

:

01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:29,900

they might have also started off on just their own

:

01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:35,766

Mayday is May 1st and it historically has been a um

:

01:09:35,833 --> 01:09:38,133

worker ha Celebration

:

01:09:38,133 --> 01:09:40,366

I think some of the unions

:

01:09:40,933 --> 01:09:43,000

um first started it

:

01:09:43,266 --> 01:09:48,900

so Mayday Strong wants this Mayday to um

:

01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:52,133

be a really big uh

:

01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:57,266

strike a really big strike

:

01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:57,833

and so

:

01:09:57,833 --> 01:10:00,666

what they are hoping is that we took these people

:

01:10:00,666 --> 01:10:02,300

they they are actually trying

:

01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:04,766

these organizations do kind of think of

:

01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:06,566

here's the first step in the pipeline

:

01:10:06,566 --> 01:10:09,500

here's the second they actually do try to do this

:

01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:11,666

and they experiment with different things

:

01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:13,500

and after the last no kings

:

01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:16,466

they did experiment with more efforts

:

01:10:16,466 --> 01:10:18,366

on getting people to organize locally

:

01:10:18,366 --> 01:10:19,766

and some of it just didn't

:

01:10:19,766 --> 01:10:21,300

didn't stick because it

:

01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:24,333

it is much harder to get them to do that

:

01:10:24,433 --> 01:10:24,900

um

:

01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:29,300

so they are trying to get people to support this strike

:

01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:31,833

and what the Mayday pledge says

:

01:10:33,866 --> 01:10:36,266

is these are their these are their demands

:

01:10:36,266 --> 01:10:38,033

and I'm curious what you think about it

:

01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:41,766

tax the rich no ice and no war

:

01:10:41,766 --> 01:10:44,966

and no private army serving authoritarian power

:

01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:48,133

and expand democracy hands off our vote

:

01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,233

so those are the official demands

:

01:10:50,233 --> 01:10:51,966

and what they're asking people to do is

:

01:10:51,966 --> 01:10:54,566

don't go to school don't go to work don't spend money

:

01:10:58,433 --> 01:11:00,800

I think the message is vague

:

01:11:02,066 --> 01:11:02,733

and

:

01:11:02,733 --> 01:11:05,566

I think it's gonna be hard to get people not to work

:

01:11:05,566 --> 01:11:07,633

in the economy that is crumbling

:

01:11:07,666 --> 01:11:09,566

it is incredibly hard I

:

01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:13,133

I it people just because people are struggling

:

01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:16,400

I mean the gas here is already three 60 a gallon

:

01:11:16,433 --> 01:11:17,666

yeah I've heard

:

01:11:17,666 --> 01:11:18,066

I we

:

01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:21,466

I hear a lot of people calling for strikes like nobody

:

01:11:21,466 --> 01:11:23,433

nothing's gonna change until we strike

:

01:11:23,433 --> 01:11:25,133

we have to strike but

:

01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:26,700

if the reality is

:

01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,033

that people literally can't afford to

:

01:11:29,033 --> 01:11:30,866

because they could lose their homes

:

01:11:30,933 --> 01:11:35,200

their healthcare die if they go on strike

:

01:11:37,333 --> 01:11:41,233

you know you can go on strike in France and still go

:

01:11:41,233 --> 01:11:42,533

to the hospital the next day

:

01:11:42,533 --> 01:11:45,600

and not have lost your job and your healthcare

:

01:11:45,766 --> 01:11:47,033

you know um

:

01:11:50,866 --> 01:11:53,500

I don't know so what we we

:

01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:55,766

I like the idea of it you know

:

01:11:55,766 --> 01:11:58,666

and again we try to support things

:

01:11:58,666 --> 01:12:01,200

that other people are excited about

:

01:12:03,133 --> 01:12:05,566

as long as it's not opposed to our values

:

01:12:05,566 --> 01:12:06,533

if we can so

:

01:12:06,533 --> 01:12:07,866

what we are thinking to do

:

01:12:07,866 --> 01:12:10,000

is something we've been thinking of for a while

:

01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:10,833

which is like

:

01:12:10,833 --> 01:12:12,200

have a um

:

01:12:12,466 --> 01:12:17,300

a free yard sale or swap meet or barter meet up

:

01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:20,733

or go give we're trying to take donations of food

:

01:12:20,733 --> 01:12:23,566

that we can go distribute to poor people'cause or

:

01:12:23,566 --> 01:12:26,666

or give to a pantry um

:

01:12:26,666 --> 01:12:28,733

my husband was like will they give us food now

:

01:12:29,133 --> 01:12:30,266

like you know the

:

01:12:30,266 --> 01:12:33,366

the line is the line of who needs food is

:

01:12:33,366 --> 01:12:35,933

is growing there's a growing population

:

01:12:35,933 --> 01:12:37,633

that are being priced out of everything

:

01:12:38,133 --> 01:12:39,133

um yep

:

01:12:39,233 --> 01:12:40,266

so

:

01:12:41,133 --> 01:12:42,033

um that's

:

01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:44,100

that's what we're trying to figure out right now

:

01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:45,800

and I think a lot of what we're thinking

:

01:12:45,933 --> 01:12:47,633

what we're focused on now is like

:

01:12:47,633 --> 01:12:49,766

what kind of space can we access

:

01:12:49,766 --> 01:12:52,400

and what kind of event could we have in that space

:

01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:54,533

um and if we can't

:

01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:57,966

if we can't find a good place

:

01:12:57,966 --> 01:12:59,433

that we can host something

:

01:12:59,433 --> 01:13:02,833

like a free yard sale um

:

01:13:04,166 --> 01:13:06,133

that we're we're gonna do something else different

:

01:13:06,133 --> 01:13:06,900

that is like

:

01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:08,133

of the ethos but we

:

01:13:08,133 --> 01:13:10,133

we're trying to decide what it is early

:

01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:11,733

so that we can plan ahead and

:

01:13:11,733 --> 01:13:15,133

and something that is annoying about trying to go along

:

01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:16,700

we aren't picking these things

:

01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:18,933

so we already have things that we're working on

:

01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:21,100

and then we have national organizations

:

01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:22,566

that send out a ton of emails

:

01:13:22,566 --> 01:13:24,666

to people that are also in

:

01:13:25,633 --> 01:13:27,633

under our umbrella that say

:

01:13:27,633 --> 01:13:28,833

do this do this

:

01:13:28,833 --> 01:13:31,433

you should be doing this and then we'll get asked well

:

01:13:31,433 --> 01:13:33,466

are you doing anything for no kings

:

01:13:33,466 --> 01:13:35,233

are you doing anything for May Day

:

01:13:35,233 --> 01:13:38,666

and even if we don't really want to do something

:

01:13:38,666 --> 01:13:39,766

we kind of need to

:

01:13:39,766 --> 01:13:41,933

so that's a little bit annoying sometimes

:

01:13:41,933 --> 01:13:43,800

but I think that's just the nature of

:

01:13:44,333 --> 01:13:46,933

of working in an environment like this

:

01:13:46,933 --> 01:13:47,166

it's

:

01:13:47,166 --> 01:13:50,100

it's better than them not having ideas for us to do

:

01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:51,133

I guess you know

:

01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:53,166

yeah I guess so

:

01:13:53,366 --> 01:13:57,633

like I have problems with all three of their goals

:

01:13:57,633 --> 01:14:00,533

because they're horribly vague

:

01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:02,100

nobody

:

01:14:02,633 --> 01:14:05,533

nobody including all of our politicians

:

01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:08,866

goes any deeper than these talking points

:

01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:12,666

and so I think at the end of the day

:

01:14:12,666 --> 01:14:15,266

it's just like this is just

:

01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:18,000

it's Larping it's for show

:

01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:18,700

but like

:

01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:20,266

what do you mean by tax the rich

:

01:14:20,266 --> 01:14:20,566

like cool

:

01:14:20,566 --> 01:14:24,500

we say that if you vote for Democrat or Republican

:

01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,233

they're both corporate parties

:

01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:29,133

that's why they don't tax the rich anymore

:

01:14:29,133 --> 01:14:30,966

they're both paid by

:

01:14:30,966 --> 01:14:33,466

they're both captured by corporations

:

01:14:33,766 --> 01:14:35,066

they're not independent

:

01:14:35,066 --> 01:14:36,933

they're not fighting for the working man

:

01:14:37,766 --> 01:14:39,333

you have a better chance locally

:

01:14:39,333 --> 01:14:41,200

but on the bigger picture

:

01:14:42,133 --> 01:14:43,266

not gonna happen

:

01:14:43,266 --> 01:14:45,833

and what do you mean by tax the rich do our

:

01:14:45,833 --> 01:14:51,000

our tax set system is set off of W2 labor

:

01:14:51,733 --> 01:14:53,933

so the wealthiest people don't make money

:

01:14:53,933 --> 01:14:55,966

they borrow against their assets

:

01:14:56,133 --> 01:14:58,133

yeah so you can't just be like

:

01:14:58,133 --> 01:15:00,100

we're gonna just tax them more percentage

:

01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:01,033

like on what

:

01:15:01,033 --> 01:15:02,433

like so then like

:

01:15:02,433 --> 01:15:04,533

we need to overhaul the whole tax code

:

01:15:05,466 --> 01:15:08,266

like it's not just tax the rich and everything

:

01:15:08,266 --> 01:15:09,533

everything will be okay like

:

01:15:09,533 --> 01:15:11,533

it is not that simple and

:

01:15:11,533 --> 01:15:12,366

you have to have a party

:

01:15:12,366 --> 01:15:14,866

that's willing to not take the donations

:

01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:16,866

from the corporations mm hmm

:

01:15:17,466 --> 01:15:20,366

and then no ice

:

01:15:21,166 --> 01:15:23,133

you can't not have ice

:

01:15:23,133 --> 01:15:28,233

you can definitely have a system of uh

:

01:15:28,233 --> 01:15:31,833

immigration enforcement that is humane and should be

:

01:15:31,833 --> 01:15:33,866

you could definitely not have ice

:

01:15:33,933 --> 01:15:37,033

ice wasn't started until like:

:

01:15:37,033 --> 01:15:37,466

it would

:

01:15:37,466 --> 01:15:41,966

they ice itself as an organization started after um

:

01:15:42,933 --> 01:15:46,000

after the 9 11 attacks yes

:

01:15:46,033 --> 01:15:49,933

but you have to have immigration enforcement

:

01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:52,366

we have you have to have immigration laws

:

01:15:52,566 --> 01:15:55,200

you have to deport people that are here illegally

:

01:15:55,266 --> 01:15:57,033

you can't have an open border

:

01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:58,033

and like

:

01:15:58,033 --> 01:15:59,466

we have a state like

:

01:15:59,466 --> 01:16:00,433

we have a we have

:

01:16:00,433 --> 01:16:01,966

yeah but I say state

:

01:16:01,966 --> 01:16:03,433

that could mean that means country

:

01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:04,833

you know yeah

:

01:16:05,166 --> 01:16:09,066

so so we have a state with borders and taxation

:

01:16:09,566 --> 01:16:10,866

so you can't and

:

01:16:10,866 --> 01:16:13,300

and even if we don't like how

:

01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:15,666

if we don't think our welfare system is good enough

:

01:16:15,666 --> 01:16:16,366

it we have

:

01:16:16,366 --> 01:16:20,900

a very big welfare state lots of the money is spent

:

01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:23,666

lots of tax revenue is spent on

:

01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:25,333

on things for the citizens

:

01:16:25,833 --> 01:16:28,600

mm hmm so you have to enforce immigration

:

01:16:28,866 --> 01:16:31,833

cause you can't just have people coming in illegally

:

01:16:32,633 --> 01:16:34,733

and sucking off the taxpayer

:

01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:38,233

like there needs to be and I mean

:

01:16:38,233 --> 01:16:40,233

and you can reform immigration

:

01:16:40,466 --> 01:16:42,033

if that's the way people wanna go

:

01:16:42,033 --> 01:16:42,700

I'm not I mean

:

01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:46,133

it just but it all needs to be done legally

:

01:16:46,133 --> 01:16:47,933

but our Congress is useless

:

01:16:47,966 --> 01:16:50,700

but I mean I'm not saying that you can't be for like

:

01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:53,366

a easier path to citizenship

:

01:16:54,433 --> 01:16:57,300

and that's fine if you can do that and

:

01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:01,033

and these people can be tax paying citizens

:

01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:03,833

then like that's fine

:

01:17:03,833 --> 01:17:07,666

but you can't have people that aren't here legally

:

01:17:07,666 --> 01:17:08,700

that aren't that

:

01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:10,066

that are are getting benefits

:

01:17:10,066 --> 01:17:12,766

but not necessarily contributing in the same way

:

01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,733

two things one

:

01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:16,500

I we should

:

01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:18,800

we should look into this because

:

01:17:18,833 --> 01:17:20,166

every time I look up

:

01:17:20,166 --> 01:17:22,266

whether or not people who are undocumented

:

01:17:22,266 --> 01:17:24,333

are actually getting benefits

:

01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,566

I what I'm seeing

:

01:17:26,566 --> 01:17:29,966

is that it is nearly impossible for them to do so

:

01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:32,933

but they do usually pay taxes of some kind

:

01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:35,000

if nothing else um

:

01:17:35,066 --> 01:17:36,900

sales tax on everything they purchase

:

01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:37,700

yeah

:

01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:42,933

but they're still using all the public systems

:

01:17:42,933 --> 01:17:44,433

roads all that stuff

:

01:17:44,433 --> 01:17:46,233

that's all public infrastructure

:

01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:51,033

and if you go to the hospital they have to treat you

:

01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:56,466

and then that gets paid for them by the taxpayer

:

01:17:57,900 --> 01:17:59,466

okay so you're including

:

01:18:01,433 --> 01:18:03,566

things like that in your calculus

:

01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:05,266

yeah it's a everything

:

01:18:05,266 --> 01:18:06,233

I mean it's everything

:

01:18:06,233 --> 01:18:06,966

so I mean

:

01:18:06,966 --> 01:18:08,566

you can you can reform the system

:

01:18:08,566 --> 01:18:10,233

and make it easier to become a citizen

:

01:18:10,233 --> 01:18:11,766

that's fine if that's you know

:

01:18:11,766 --> 01:18:14,066

the way that our representative

:

01:18:14,066 --> 01:18:15,866

our elected representatives wanted to go

:

01:18:15,866 --> 01:18:18,766

but then like let's do it

:

01:18:20,266 --> 01:18:21,100

you know but I

:

01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,566

I don't but you have to

:

01:18:22,566 --> 01:18:25,233

you have to have some sort of immigration law

:

01:18:25,233 --> 01:18:28,733

and then and to have a state you like unless

:

01:18:28,733 --> 01:18:33,200

unless everything is privatized and nobody is taxed

:

01:18:33,633 --> 01:18:34,866

if you're going to have a state

:

01:18:34,866 --> 01:18:36,233

that has a welfare system

:

01:18:36,233 --> 01:18:39,566

you have you have to have immigration controls

:

01:18:39,566 --> 01:18:41,566

I don't think there's any way around it

:

01:18:42,466 --> 01:18:44,066

so a lot of the time so

:

01:18:44,066 --> 01:18:46,566

so the second thing I wanted to say is I

:

01:18:46,633 --> 01:18:48,866

I don't know how many people who say

:

01:18:48,866 --> 01:18:51,566

abolish ice literally mean

:

01:18:51,733 --> 01:18:54,433

get rid of any kind of immigration control

:

01:18:54,866 --> 01:18:55,900

I I know that

:

01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:59,866

I don't know anyone who does mean that

:

01:18:59,866 --> 01:19:01,166

but there are and

:

01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:02,800

and there are some people who

:

01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:04,633

who are in these movements

:

01:19:04,633 --> 01:19:06,266

that don't even want to abolish ice

:

01:19:06,266 --> 01:19:10,500

they want to fix ice I am on the side of ice

:

01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,333

being such a broken organization

:

01:19:13,866 --> 01:19:14,933

um like

:

01:19:14,933 --> 01:19:16,933

if it were a department in a company

:

01:19:17,433 --> 01:19:20,133

I would say fire them all

:

01:19:20,733 --> 01:19:22,733

start fresh fire them all

:

01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:25,433

find somebody new to start a new department

:

01:19:25,433 --> 01:19:27,433

call the new department something else

:

01:19:27,466 --> 01:19:28,766

give them a different budget

:

01:19:28,766 --> 01:19:29,100

like I

:

01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:30,766

I would just say these like it

:

01:19:30,766 --> 01:19:35,800

it is just the things that that ice has been

:

01:19:36,133 --> 01:19:40,100

has documented proof of doing

:

01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:43,333

to me are so outrageous and so horrible that

:

01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:44,666

I mean that's also one of the arguments

:

01:19:44,666 --> 01:19:46,633

about closing Abu Ghraib prison

:

01:19:46,633 --> 01:19:49,666

it's like this place is so terrible

:

01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:51,300

or was so terrible

:

01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:53,933

had way too many people committing atrocities there

:

01:19:53,933 --> 01:19:57,466

just fucking close it because it it's

:

01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:01,933

it's too bad to fix with just a band aid

:

01:20:01,933 --> 01:20:03,866

you have to start fresh and I

:

01:20:03,866 --> 01:20:05,900

I'm on that side with ice

:

01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:09,033

I'm disgusted with how we've been treating people and

:

01:20:09,033 --> 01:20:10,433

and um

:

01:20:11,666 --> 01:20:12,233

that that's

:

01:20:12,233 --> 01:20:13,933

that's my take on it

:

01:20:14,866 --> 01:20:17,133

okay and then number three

:

01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:18,966

expand democracy like

:

01:20:19,566 --> 01:20:21,866

what do we mean by that like it's

:

01:20:21,866 --> 01:20:24,100

it's so openly vague that

:

01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:27,333

to me is one of the most vague there

:

01:20:27,333 --> 01:20:29,266

and I don't know what that means either

:

01:20:29,266 --> 01:20:30,633

and somebody and

:

01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:33,766

oh sorry continue

:

01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:35,900

uh somebody looking at this um

:

01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:37,600

and wanting to be uh

:

01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:40,033

bad faith or just being confused could say well

:

01:20:40,033 --> 01:20:43,100

you just said no ice and now you're saying

:

01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:45,100

expand democracy are you saying that

:

01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:46,633

you don't have to be a citizen to vote

:

01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:47,533

blah blah blah

:

01:20:47,633 --> 01:20:48,466

like there's

:

01:20:48,533 --> 01:20:49,233

to me it's

:

01:20:49,233 --> 01:20:50,633

there are people that believe that

:

01:20:50,633 --> 01:20:52,233

yeah well I

:

01:20:52,333 --> 01:20:55,433

not many but I think there are um

:

01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:57,866

I think there are

:

01:20:57,866 --> 01:21:01,700

I think they're trying to balance being simple and

:

01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:07,833

and more universal with being specific and confusing

:

01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:10,033

yeah I see

:

01:21:10,033 --> 01:21:12,500

this is but I feel like this is the problem with

:

01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:13,866

you know like

:

01:21:13,866 --> 01:21:15,133

Elizabeth Warren like

:

01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:16,833

this is the stuff she says

:

01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:19,200

she doesn't get anything done in Congress

:

01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:22,833

the points are vague they get the base riled up

:

01:21:22,833 --> 01:21:24,466

but then they don't they don't do anything

:

01:21:24,466 --> 01:21:26,666

because they don't have a plan for any of it

:

01:21:26,666 --> 01:21:27,700

I thought she did get something

:

01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:28,966

kind of like the Republicans

:

01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:31,100

Affordable Care Act like

:

01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,300

they're like we don't want the Affordable Care Act

:

01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:34,800

like guys

:

01:21:35,533 --> 01:21:37,700

it's been over a decade

:

01:21:37,700 --> 01:21:40,133

and you still don't have a healthcare proposal

:

01:21:40,766 --> 01:21:43,533

like what have you been doing

:

01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:46,500

but like you're so against it right

:

01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,300

write a healthcare plan then right

:

01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:50,133

why don't we have anything

:

01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:52,466

like a actual plan to go forward

:

01:21:52,466 --> 01:21:55,000

none of these problems that we're facing are new

:

01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:57,233

none of them none of them are new

:

01:21:57,733 --> 01:21:58,566

yeah and there's still no

:

01:21:58,566 --> 01:22:00,766

there's still no solutions right

:

01:22:00,766 --> 01:22:01,633

um thanks

:

01:22:01,633 --> 01:22:02,433

I'm raising my hand again

:

01:22:02,433 --> 01:22:04,366

yeah it really likes when you raise your hand

:

01:22:04,466 --> 01:22:06,833

speaking of raising my hand um

:

01:22:06,833 --> 01:22:08,633

didn't you have to leave by two

:

01:22:10,066 --> 01:22:12,700

no I said that's the latest I could start

:

01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:13,733

oh OK

:

01:22:13,733 --> 01:22:14,700

OK well

:

01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:16,433

I'm still gonna shut this down cause I got

:

01:22:16,433 --> 01:22:18,800

I got a little bit longer before I gotta get to uh

:

01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:20,633

my chores well let's

:

01:22:20,633 --> 01:22:21,233

let's um

:

01:22:21,233 --> 01:22:22,700

let's go ahead and shut things down

:

01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:24,933

cause I gotta go pick my car up from the shop

:

01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:26,200

um OK

:

01:22:27,133 --> 01:22:29,133

uh so how would you did we

:

01:22:29,133 --> 01:22:31,600

did we get anywhere close to um

:

01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:33,900

we didn't we didn't get really to

:

01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:35,600

is democracy the problem

:

01:22:36,666 --> 01:22:38,033

yeah we didn't get too much on it

:

01:22:38,033 --> 01:22:40,733

we can save uh for another episode

:

01:22:40,733 --> 01:22:43,666

more of a open conversation about democracy

:

01:22:47,333 --> 01:22:48,800

well we can get to it

:

01:22:50,166 --> 01:22:51,333

next time cause I could probably

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01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:53,366

I could probably go for a while on it

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01:22:57,466 --> 01:22:58,233

but I mean alright

:

01:22:58,233 --> 01:22:58,833

yeah I got

:

01:22:58,833 --> 01:23:00,766

I get hit with a couple bullet points

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01:23:01,766 --> 01:23:02,300

okay let's

:

01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:03,433

let's do a preview

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01:23:03,433 --> 01:23:04,733

of what we're gonna talk about next time

:

01:23:04,733 --> 01:23:07,033

and then let's um prioritize it

:

01:23:07,033 --> 01:23:09,566

how's that sound sounds good

:

01:23:09,933 --> 01:23:11,300

so I think

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01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:12,433

the biggest problem

:

01:23:12,433 --> 01:23:16,800

with just throwing the word democracy around is again

:

01:23:17,133 --> 01:23:18,433

which I think for another episode

:

01:23:18,433 --> 01:23:20,566

we talked about doing like terms and all that is

:

01:23:20,566 --> 01:23:23,766

is I don't think everybody really understands

:

01:23:23,766 --> 01:23:25,266

what democracy is

:

01:23:26,066 --> 01:23:29,566

and the different versions of democracy

:

01:23:30,366 --> 01:23:35,933

and we're all just taught democracy equals good

:

01:23:35,933 --> 01:23:38,666

like America is gonna go to war to

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01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:40,300

to get rid of a dictator

:

01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:43,233

so we can liberate the people and bring them democracy

:

01:23:43,733 --> 01:23:47,233

like democracy isn't inherently good

:

01:23:48,266 --> 01:23:50,433

and actually having like

:

01:23:50,433 --> 01:23:54,533

a true full democracy is actually really bad

:

01:23:54,533 --> 01:23:57,566

because it's majority control of the minority

:

01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:01,133

it's 51% tyranny over 49%

:

01:24:02,233 --> 01:24:04,833

so you don't want an unchecked democracy

:

01:24:04,833 --> 01:24:06,533

you're gonna have your population

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01:24:06,533 --> 01:24:10,366

is going to be lower than the other half

:

01:24:13,566 --> 01:24:14,766

you know what I'm saying

:

01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:16,900

yeah um

:

01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:19,833

so what alternative would you

:

01:24:20,066 --> 01:24:22,100

would you suggest um

:

01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:22,566

like I think

:

01:24:22,566 --> 01:24:24,133

it was Ben Franklin who said

:

01:24:24,133 --> 01:24:27,866

democracy is the worst form of government ever

:

01:24:27,866 --> 01:24:29,933

except for all the other ones

:

01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:32,066

yeah and I think it was

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01:24:32,066 --> 01:24:35,266

I think it's Alexander Hamilton that said

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01:24:35,266 --> 01:24:37,466

was that Hamilton I could be wrong

:

01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:41,433

but I believe it was him that said that government

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01:24:41,833 --> 01:24:45,766

at its best case scenario is a necessary evil

:

01:24:48,966 --> 01:24:50,333

so no

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01:24:50,333 --> 01:24:53,333

I mean I think we need to go back to the system

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01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:55,533

that our founders set up

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01:24:55,566 --> 01:24:57,433

which is the constitutional republic

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01:24:57,466 --> 01:24:59,866

so the Constitution is in place

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01:24:59,933 --> 01:25:04,000

to protect the minority from the state

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01:25:05,266 --> 01:25:07,366

and the majority so

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01:25:07,366 --> 01:25:09,133

so you can't so even though you

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01:25:09,133 --> 01:25:10,233

even though so you have

:

01:25:10,233 --> 01:25:10,666

so you have

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01:25:10,666 --> 01:25:13,933

90% of people that want to vote away free speech

:

01:25:14,266 --> 01:25:15,566

you can't wait

:

01:25:15,566 --> 01:25:18,000

wait wait you're saying that

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01:25:19,866 --> 01:25:21,766

the system that we have now

:

01:25:21,766 --> 01:25:25,266

you don't think reflects what we had originally

:

01:25:25,266 --> 01:25:27,633

closely enough to even consider it the same thing

:

01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:30,466

no you have to get a permit to do a protest

:

01:25:30,466 --> 01:25:32,233

we are not following the Constitution

:

01:25:32,633 --> 01:25:33,433

mm hmm

:

01:25:33,700 --> 01:25:38,666

the Constitution is there to not allow that exact thing

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01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:41,166

uh huh so

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01:25:41,466 --> 01:25:44,366

we haven't abided by the Constitution

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01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,933

at least the last hundred years

:

01:25:46,933 --> 01:25:50,633

probably more or less since the Civil War

:

01:25:51,566 --> 01:25:53,533

they tossed the Constitution out

:

01:25:54,066 --> 01:25:54,766

so like

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01:25:54,766 --> 01:25:57,033

one thing I would like to talk about in the future is

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01:25:57,033 --> 01:25:58,133

uh secession

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01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,233

because if you do believe in democracy

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01:26:01,233 --> 01:26:03,066

then you should believe in secession

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01:26:03,866 --> 01:26:06,100

be a peaceful succession like if

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01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:09,266

if Wisconsin doesn't wanna be part of the union anymore

:

01:26:09,466 --> 01:26:10,866

it should be able to vote itself

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01:26:10,866 --> 01:26:13,333

to peacefully succeed out of the union

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01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:14,433

I that's that

:

01:26:14,433 --> 01:26:17,433

and that's democracy I agree with that too

:

01:26:17,433 --> 01:26:19,766

are you the person or was it somebody else

:

01:26:19,766 --> 01:26:22,033

there was somebody else I was talking to about this

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01:26:22,033 --> 01:26:23,833

and I made the point I was like

:

01:26:24,366 --> 01:26:26,833

we are I feel like

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01:26:26,833 --> 01:26:29,433

and we should have let the and

:

01:26:29,433 --> 01:26:31,766

and I'm saying we even though I'm from Alabama

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01:26:31,766 --> 01:26:32,900

so if if we

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01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:33,533

if their

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01:26:33,533 --> 01:26:36,233

if succession of the southern states had worked

:

01:26:36,566 --> 01:26:38,933

I would have been in a slave holding place

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01:26:38,933 --> 01:26:41,633

I realized that but it would it

:

01:26:41,633 --> 01:26:43,266

slavery would have gone away either way

:

01:26:43,266 --> 01:26:44,333

it was on its way out

:

01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:46,266

the western world was getting rid of it

:

01:26:46,666 --> 01:26:48,433

one would hope um

:

01:26:48,866 --> 01:26:53,366

but I still think that I it that so much of our

:

01:26:53,366 --> 01:26:55,966

so many of our problems can be traced back to

:

01:26:55,966 --> 01:26:57,900

not letting people do what they wanted to do

:

01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:59,733

even if what they wanted to do was shitty

:

01:26:59,733 --> 01:27:01,800

and dehumanizing and evil

:

01:27:02,033 --> 01:27:04,633

people still want to do what they want to do

:

01:27:04,633 --> 01:27:07,533

and if you tell them if you make them

:

01:27:07,933 --> 01:27:11,033

not be able to run their lives the way they want

:

01:27:12,133 --> 01:27:14,700

they don't automatically just agree with you

:

01:27:14,700 --> 01:27:15,133

and so

:

01:27:15,133 --> 01:27:21,133

we've had this simmering of racism and dehumanizing um

:

01:27:21,166 --> 01:27:23,466

ideas about people

:

01:27:24,766 --> 01:27:27,200

since then and maybe it's just human nature

:

01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:30,366

but I've I felt like I was telling somebody

:

01:27:30,366 --> 01:27:32,966

I feel like the north should have let the south succeed

:

01:27:32,966 --> 01:27:35,433

and let them just do whatever the fuck they wanted

:

01:27:35,533 --> 01:27:38,266

and all the people that wanted to be that

:

01:27:38,266 --> 01:27:40,366

that didn't want slavery to come up here

:

01:27:40,366 --> 01:27:42,033

and then other people will argue and say

:

01:27:42,033 --> 01:27:43,233

it wasn't really about slavery

:

01:27:43,233 --> 01:27:44,166

blah blah blah

:

01:27:46,366 --> 01:27:49,633

it's like any other war slavery had its part in it

:

01:27:49,633 --> 01:27:51,133

but it was also about you know

:

01:27:51,133 --> 01:27:53,866

the rights of the states like the right to secede

:

01:27:54,266 --> 01:27:55,866

the right to self governance

:

01:27:56,233 --> 01:27:58,766

yeah and slavery was part of it

:

01:27:58,766 --> 01:28:00,300

but Abraham Lincoln I'm

:

01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:01,900

I'm not I don't have the full quote

:

01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:03,733

but he basically did say he's like

:

01:28:03,733 --> 01:28:07,233

I will save the union if it means keeping slavery

:

01:28:07,233 --> 01:28:09,833

or I will save the union if it means abolishing slavery

:

01:28:09,833 --> 01:28:11,066

like he didn't care

:

01:28:11,666 --> 01:28:14,666

Abraham Lincoln didn't care if there was slavery or not

:

01:28:14,666 --> 01:28:18,533

it was they he fought the war because of succession

:

01:28:19,266 --> 01:28:21,466

he did not fight to end slavery

:

01:28:21,733 --> 01:28:23,233

yeah and I don't

:

01:28:23,233 --> 01:28:25,166

and in the beginning and then it became a

:

01:28:25,166 --> 01:28:25,766

then it like

:

01:28:25,766 --> 01:28:27,266

it's like all wars like

:

01:28:27,266 --> 01:28:29,233

they're not they're not black and white

:

01:28:29,266 --> 01:28:31,866

in one of my classes in college

:

01:28:31,866 --> 01:28:36,233

one of the things that we Learned was that um

:

01:28:39,033 --> 01:28:39,833

uh

:

01:28:40,666 --> 01:28:42,933

a big part of the reason was that

:

01:28:44,966 --> 01:28:46,733

if I remember incorrectly

:

01:28:46,966 --> 01:28:49,166

Abraham Lincoln did not like slavery

:

01:28:49,166 --> 01:28:50,733

he did not agree with it

:

01:28:50,833 --> 01:28:55,100

but the reason he ended up outlawing it

:

01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:58,266

wasn't to make the war about slavery

:

01:28:58,366 --> 01:29:00,866

it was because slavery was always

:

01:29:00,866 --> 01:29:03,133

already incredibly unpopular in Europe

:

01:29:03,133 --> 01:29:04,666

it had been abolished in Europe

:

01:29:04,666 --> 01:29:09,666

and that he was trying to get support from um

:

01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:12,333

Great Britain and maybe some other countries

:

01:29:12,866 --> 01:29:15,700

against the south that that

:

01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:17,300

that was one of the things that we Learned

:

01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:19,733

and that by abolishing slavery

:

01:29:19,866 --> 01:29:21,133

that was like a

:

01:29:21,833 --> 01:29:22,900

what do they call it is it an

:

01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:24,366

it's not an anchor issue

:

01:29:24,366 --> 01:29:27,366

it's like a lever where you stick it in there

:

01:29:27,366 --> 01:29:28,300

wedge issue wedge

:

01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:30,100

isn't that a wedge issue where where

:

01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:31,633

yeah I think that's right

:

01:29:31,633 --> 01:29:35,166

and it was a good wedge issue at the time um

:

01:29:35,866 --> 01:29:38,166

and yeah

:

01:29:38,166 --> 01:29:40,133

but I I kind of agree about the succession

:

01:29:40,133 --> 01:29:42,666

if you if you don't want to

:

01:29:44,533 --> 01:29:46,633

if you have a whole big group of people

:

01:29:46,633 --> 01:29:49,666

we are at the point where 50% of the population

:

01:29:49,666 --> 01:29:51,766

wants someone like Donald Trump

:

01:29:51,866 --> 01:29:54,533

and they want women to be barefoot

:

01:29:54,533 --> 01:29:55,766

and pregnant in the kitchen

:

01:29:55,766 --> 01:29:59,266

and they want everything to be they

:

01:29:59,266 --> 01:30:02,966

they want to have everybody go to Christian schools

:

01:30:02,966 --> 01:30:04,933

or whatever it is that I'm thinking

:

01:30:04,933 --> 01:30:06,833

you know is my worst case scenario

:

01:30:06,833 --> 01:30:10,966

if we genuinely have a third of the entire population

:

01:30:10,966 --> 01:30:13,466

a third to a half of them wanting that

:

01:30:14,066 --> 01:30:15,900

let them have it let

:

01:30:15,900 --> 01:30:17,333

let them do it and

:

01:30:17,333 --> 01:30:20,266

and I guess that's where it gets into the states rights

:

01:30:20,266 --> 01:30:20,500

where

:

01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:22,766

if we actually had more differences in states rights

:

01:30:22,766 --> 01:30:22,933

now

:

01:30:22,933 --> 01:30:25,900

one problem with that is that you have people who end

:

01:30:25,900 --> 01:30:27,166

up stuck

:

01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:32,766

trapped in a state that is ideologically socially

:

01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:34,966

morally ethically

:

01:30:35,766 --> 01:30:37,466

scientifically opposed to them

:

01:30:37,466 --> 01:30:38,366

you know like well

:

01:30:38,366 --> 01:30:39,333

so this is where you get to the

:

01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:40,966

the problem with democracy

:

01:30:41,366 --> 01:30:43,333

uh huh so if you have

:

01:30:43,333 --> 01:30:44,866

if you have a majority of the state

:

01:30:44,866 --> 01:30:46,133

that wants to succeed

:

01:30:46,833 --> 01:30:49,100

that's democracy uh huh

:

01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:53,433

even if a minority are say majority

:

01:30:53,433 --> 01:30:54,766

that's conservative minority

:

01:30:54,766 --> 01:30:55,733

that's Liberal

:

01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:56,966

yeah the

:

01:30:56,966 --> 01:30:58,766

the minority would be stuck

:

01:30:58,766 --> 01:31:00,766

but that is democracy at work

:

01:31:00,833 --> 01:31:02,133

so that's why I think it's like

:

01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:05,066

such a slippery term that needs

:

01:31:05,066 --> 01:31:06,533

needs a little more attention

:

01:31:07,066 --> 01:31:09,933

and then I have I think

:

01:31:09,933 --> 01:31:12,666

I have one quote that I think can wrap this all up

:

01:31:12,666 --> 01:31:15,066

kind of this whole conversation to do with democracy

:

01:31:15,066 --> 01:31:18,133

and our problems with our voting and like

:

01:31:18,133 --> 01:31:20,866

where we're at and the problems that we're facing

:

01:31:20,866 --> 01:31:23,500

so this is out of that book I was talking to you about

:

01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:24,833

um democracy

:

01:31:24,833 --> 01:31:25,933

the god that failed

:

01:31:26,533 --> 01:31:28,366

uh huh by Hans Herman

:

01:31:28,566 --> 01:31:29,866

Hans Herman Hop

:

01:31:30,533 --> 01:31:31,966

but in there he writes

:

01:31:31,966 --> 01:31:34,033

is a economic crisis hits

:

01:31:34,033 --> 01:31:35,566

and an impending meltdown

:

01:31:35,566 --> 01:31:38,033

will stimulate decentralizing tendencies

:

01:31:38,033 --> 01:31:41,466

separate separatist and secessionist movements

:

01:31:41,566 --> 01:31:43,733

and lead to the breakup of an empire

:

01:31:44,566 --> 01:31:45,966

and I think that's

:

01:31:45,966 --> 01:31:48,066

kind of what we're starting to look at

:

01:31:48,166 --> 01:31:50,066

which is kind of what we need

:

01:31:50,066 --> 01:31:52,566

because the American empire is out of control

:

01:31:52,566 --> 01:31:55,133

and I think the only way to stop the empire

:

01:31:55,133 --> 01:31:59,000

short of a complete catastrophe and collapse

:

01:31:59,466 --> 01:32:02,266

is the states to individually succeed

:

01:32:03,700 --> 01:32:05,266

but um cause if you succeed

:

01:32:05,266 --> 01:32:06,333

if you succeed

:

01:32:06,966 --> 01:32:07,066

the

:

01:32:07,066 --> 01:32:11,033

the federal government loses its power and it's money

:

01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:12,266

well I

:

01:32:12,266 --> 01:32:14,866

I would I would wonder what comes after that

:

01:32:14,866 --> 01:32:15,866

and then also

:

01:32:15,866 --> 01:32:16,900

isn't that book I

:

01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:18,433

I have not read it obviously

:

01:32:18,433 --> 01:32:20,700

I haven't had time to since you suggested it

:

01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:21,966

but um

:

01:32:22,133 --> 01:32:23,266

is is it

:

01:32:23,333 --> 01:32:25,600

and does it end up being pro monarchy

:

01:32:26,233 --> 01:32:27,333

no no he

:

01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:30,566

he says right in the beginning that he is pro democracy

:

01:32:30,833 --> 01:32:33,500

mm hmm it's more of a thought experiment

:

01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:37,433

of just comparing democracy and monarchy

:

01:32:37,833 --> 01:32:40,533

to get that kick started in your brain

:

01:32:40,533 --> 01:32:43,166

that democracy doesn't mean good

:

01:32:43,166 --> 01:32:45,866

just all on its own right like

:

01:32:45,866 --> 01:32:46,766

just like like

:

01:32:46,766 --> 01:32:48,433

you can have good monarchs

:

01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:50,533

and you can have good democracy

:

01:32:50,666 --> 01:32:52,233

you can have bad monarchs

:

01:32:52,233 --> 01:32:53,933

and you can have bad democracy

:

01:32:54,133 --> 01:32:57,233

yeah and I I just think the

:

01:32:58,733 --> 01:33:00,433

go ahead I just say

:

01:33:00,433 --> 01:33:02,266

I think that's like the biggest problem is

:

01:33:02,266 --> 01:33:06,066

we're just kind of taught democracy equals good

:

01:33:06,433 --> 01:33:07,266

and it's it's

:

01:33:07,266 --> 01:33:09,533

it's just more complicated than that

:

01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:11,900

uh huh

:

01:33:12,633 --> 01:33:15,966

I still feel like as long as it is the best option

:

01:33:15,966 --> 01:33:19,466

I'm okay with democracy equaling good in theory

:

01:33:19,466 --> 01:33:20,600

does that make sense

:

01:33:21,166 --> 01:33:21,900

yeah I mean

:

01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:23,233

I think it's the best option

:

01:33:23,233 --> 01:33:26,400

but I don't think democracy is inherently good

:

01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:27,533

hmm I see

:

01:33:27,533 --> 01:33:28,333

I see like

:

01:33:28,333 --> 01:33:29,333

that's the thing it's not

:

01:33:29,333 --> 01:33:32,933

it's not inherently good it's definitely not good

:

01:33:32,933 --> 01:33:34,566

when you have systems of education

:

01:33:34,566 --> 01:33:38,466

that lead people to be borderline illiterate

:

01:33:38,466 --> 01:33:39,966

and then you want them to go vote

:

01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:41,733

yep

:

01:33:42,166 --> 01:33:44,266

unless that's how you want your democracy to vote

:

01:33:44,266 --> 01:33:45,066

if you want it yes

:

01:33:45,066 --> 01:33:47,500

which is seems like somebody wants yeah

:

01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:49,466

somebody wants that to happen

:

01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:52,533

um or else we wouldn't be here

:

01:33:52,533 --> 01:33:54,933

that's my theory um yep

:

01:33:56,033 --> 01:33:57,000

alright well

:

01:33:57,366 --> 01:33:59,033

glad we got into that a little bit

:

01:33:59,033 --> 01:34:02,466

we can talk about it more next time

:

01:34:02,466 --> 01:34:04,766

and definitely do do

:

01:34:04,766 --> 01:34:05,166

do do

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01:34:05,166 --> 01:34:05,966

do do do

:

01:34:06,533 --> 01:34:08,833

yeah we can just see where we go next time

:

01:34:10,233 --> 01:34:11,900

all right hopefully I didn't make our

:

01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:13,000

make our uh

:

01:34:13,933 --> 01:34:14,733

editing

:

01:34:14,766 --> 01:34:17,933

editing too complicated by bouncing around so much

:

01:34:18,066 --> 01:34:19,233

no I don't think so

:

01:34:19,233 --> 01:34:19,900

I mean I think

:

01:34:19,900 --> 01:34:21,933

I think you can let a lot of it flow

:

01:34:23,366 --> 01:34:24,333

you know I don't think

:

01:34:24,333 --> 01:34:24,633

I think

:

01:34:24,633 --> 01:34:27,633

people like to hear more of the natural conversation

:

01:34:27,633 --> 01:34:29,933

than an ultra edited 1 mm hmm

:

01:34:29,966 --> 01:34:30,866

but you know

:

01:34:30,866 --> 01:34:32,566

this is a you know we're

:

01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:34,100

we're learning we're trying

:

01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:34,633

so you know

:

01:34:34,633 --> 01:34:37,066

we can always try different things in different ways

:

01:34:38,366 --> 01:34:38,966

you know it's

:

01:34:38,966 --> 01:34:40,133

we're not gonna yeah

:

01:34:40,133 --> 01:34:42,633

we're not gonna have a home run right out of the gates

:

01:34:42,633 --> 01:34:46,266

but I think I think we got something cool started here

:

01:34:46,266 --> 01:34:47,433

though yeah

:

01:34:47,433 --> 01:34:48,933

definitely um

:

01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,400

and we speak we definitely have no problem with a

:

01:34:52,366 --> 01:34:55,033

getting enough content for a time

:

01:34:55,033 --> 01:34:55,833

yeah

:

01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:57,266

yeah we can blab a lot

:

01:34:57,266 --> 01:34:58,633

so speaking of the books

:

01:34:58,633 --> 01:34:59,866

I wanted to show you a book

:

01:34:59,866 --> 01:35:02,666

that we're supposed to be reading let me find it

:

01:35:04,133 --> 01:35:05,266

I had to think about what it was called

:

01:35:05,266 --> 01:35:07,566

Robert E Lee and me

:

01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:10,333

haha sounds fun

:

01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:12,633

nice children's book haha

:

01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:17,200

um so when I was in college

:

01:35:17,233 --> 01:35:19,166

the um

:

01:35:20,066 --> 01:35:22,633

same class where we talked about

:

01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:26,233

we talked about how

:

01:35:26,233 --> 01:35:30,266

and why Abraham Lincoln got involved in the war

:

01:35:30,366 --> 01:35:34,566

the class was about the South's perception of itself

:

01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:36,066

and yep um

:

01:35:36,266 --> 01:35:39,366

we ended up one of the one of the papers that we read

:

01:35:39,366 --> 01:35:41,966

and then had to write a paper about um

:

01:35:42,433 --> 01:35:45,233

was called The Apotheosis of Robert E

:

01:35:45,233 --> 01:35:46,033

Lee I think

:

01:35:46,033 --> 01:35:47,300

or maybe that was the actually

:

01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:48,333

I want to see if there's a book

:

01:35:48,333 --> 01:35:52,733

apotheosis of Robert E Lee

:

01:35:54,933 --> 01:35:56,366

Robert E Lee

:

01:35:57,566 --> 01:35:58,500

maybe no

:

01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:00,500

I think that was the I think that was the

:

01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:02,166

just the topic anyway

:

01:36:02,333 --> 01:36:04,466

so this is I'm kind of curious about this one

:

01:36:04,466 --> 01:36:06,533

cause this is a guy who is a historian

:

01:36:06,533 --> 01:36:08,266

and he's also in the military

:

01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:10,333

and if you look him up on Reddit

:

01:36:10,333 --> 01:36:12,033

he's done a couple of Ames

:

01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:16,233

OK you can find out about him

:

01:36:16,233 --> 01:36:17,433

but um

:

01:36:18,566 --> 01:36:21,466

this is what we're reading in our book club right now

:

01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,733

gotcha and from what I've heard

:

01:36:24,733 --> 01:36:26,100

the people are enjoying it

:

01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:29,233

and finding it thought provoking so okay

:

01:36:29,233 --> 01:36:31,466

I'll be curious to hear more about it when you read it

:

01:36:31,533 --> 01:36:32,133

yeah I

:

01:36:32,133 --> 01:36:33,033

I um

:

01:36:33,033 --> 01:36:35,233

I ordered it on eBay and it

:

01:36:35,233 --> 01:36:36,833

it was supposed to come in today

:

01:36:36,833 --> 01:36:38,033

and I don't think I still

:

01:36:38,033 --> 01:36:39,366

I think they're gonna send me my money

:

01:36:39,366 --> 01:36:41,100

back cause I think it still hasn't come in

:

01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:42,133

but gotcha

:

01:36:42,133 --> 01:36:42,900

we'll see yeah

:

01:36:42,900 --> 01:36:44,500

this is my current reading

:

01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:46,266

I can't see my screen but

:

01:36:47,733 --> 01:36:51,200

this is what this is what I'm getting after right now

:

01:36:51,433 --> 01:36:52,766

what it what is that about

:

01:36:52,766 --> 01:36:55,533

for a new it is the uh

:

01:36:55,766 --> 01:36:58,233

basically when the Libertarian Party started

:

01:36:58,233 --> 01:36:59,733

this was one of the main guys

:

01:36:59,733 --> 01:37:00,533

oh

:

01:37:01,033 --> 01:37:03,500

manifesto you're reading a manifesto

:

01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:06,000

but this is before manifesto was a bad word

:

01:37:06,166 --> 01:37:07,333

oh okay

:

01:37:07,466 --> 01:37:08,366

hahaha yeah

:

01:37:08,366 --> 01:37:10,866

it's written in the 70s okay

:

01:37:10,866 --> 01:37:12,133

so it's just the uh

:

01:37:12,133 --> 01:37:14,833

it's just it's all the

:

01:37:15,633 --> 01:37:17,500

the why you

:

01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:20,466

like the it's a lot of Austrian economics

:

01:37:20,733 --> 01:37:23,166

mm hmm and and

:

01:37:23,166 --> 01:37:25,633

and why you shouldn't trust the state

:

01:37:25,633 --> 01:37:27,033

and the government and how

:

01:37:27,033 --> 01:37:30,866

how it tries to take power and take away your rights

:

01:37:30,966 --> 01:37:32,666

mm hmm so like the

:

01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:34,800

liberate the libertarian ideology

:

01:37:36,233 --> 01:37:37,566

so I told you I

:

01:37:37,566 --> 01:37:39,333

one of the books I said to read before you get

:

01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:41,400

the other one is called anatomy of the state

:

01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:43,233

so that's like

:

01:37:43,233 --> 01:37:45,766

this book'cause this book's about 400 pages

:

01:37:45,933 --> 01:37:47,133

they that that's

:

01:37:47,133 --> 01:37:48,433

that's this book but like

:

01:37:48,433 --> 01:37:51,966

shrunk down to 60 pages 400 pages

:

01:37:52,033 --> 01:37:52,733

is this yeah

:

01:37:52,733 --> 01:37:55,466

this one's the 400 libertarian manifesto

:

01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,733

yeah 400 pages yep

:

01:37:59,100 --> 01:37:59,666

wow but like

:

01:37:59,666 --> 01:38:01,133

he gets into like

:

01:38:01,133 --> 01:38:03,100

how the Federal Reserve works

:

01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:05,033

how it devalues our money

:

01:38:05,133 --> 01:38:09,000

so he's it's very specific and broad

:

01:38:09,666 --> 01:38:11,100

yeah but he's a

:

01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:14,033

so he was an Austrian economist

:

01:38:14,033 --> 01:38:15,133

so yeah

:

01:38:15,133 --> 01:38:17,400

they get into the monetary stuff good

:

01:38:19,233 --> 01:38:21,033

and then he wrote that he also wrote a book

:

01:38:21,033 --> 01:38:21,633

like another

:

01:38:21,633 --> 01:38:23,333

like under 100 pages

:

01:38:23,333 --> 01:38:24,266

just called like

:

01:38:24,266 --> 01:38:27,833

The Origins of the Fed and it's just short

:

01:38:27,833 --> 01:38:29,533

sweet names

:

01:38:29,533 --> 01:38:33,033

dates of how the Federal Reserve got started

:

01:38:33,166 --> 01:38:35,133

mm hmm which is super interesting

:

01:38:35,133 --> 01:38:36,666

and it'd be a fun conversation for us

:

01:38:36,666 --> 01:38:38,900

to talk about that and I think from

:

01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:41,233

from your your perspective

:

01:38:41,233 --> 01:38:41,900

I would think it would be

:

01:38:41,900 --> 01:38:42,966

like the end

:

01:38:42,966 --> 01:38:44,433

you know stop oligarchy

:

01:38:44,433 --> 01:38:45,833

like tour and all that

:

01:38:46,233 --> 01:38:47,333

uh huh and

:

01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:48,300

you know my

:

01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:49,766

you read the origins of the Fed

:

01:38:49,766 --> 01:38:50,266

and you're like oh

:

01:38:50,266 --> 01:38:54,033

e been in the oligarchy since:

:

01:38:54,033 --> 01:38:56,566

when the banks created the Federal Reserve

:

01:38:56,933 --> 01:38:58,666

okay so that okay

:

01:38:58,866 --> 01:39:01,833

have you have you ever listened to this podcast

:

01:39:01,866 --> 01:39:03,233

um oh

:

01:39:03,233 --> 01:39:05,533

I guess it's not here let's see

:

01:39:05,533 --> 01:39:06,166

doo doo doo

:

01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:06,966

doo doo

:

01:39:08,866 --> 01:39:11,366

I know why

:

01:39:12,133 --> 01:39:13,733

what I wanted to ask is

:

01:39:13,733 --> 01:39:16,666

if you'd heard Planet Money podcast

:

01:39:17,233 --> 01:39:17,833

um talk about

:

01:39:17,833 --> 01:39:20,466

I've heard of it I think I've listened to some of it

:

01:39:20,466 --> 01:39:23,333

it's an MPR one yeah yeah yeah

:

01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:24,366

I've listened to some

:

01:39:24,366 --> 01:39:25,700

I haven't really listened to a while

:

01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:28,766

I kind of I used to listen to a lot of MPR

:

01:39:29,333 --> 01:39:31,066

and then I had to stop

:

01:39:31,633 --> 01:39:34,166

why not because they're

:

01:39:34,166 --> 01:39:36,466

they're too biased hmm

:

01:39:36,533 --> 01:39:38,833

I don't I don't trust all I

:

01:39:38,833 --> 01:39:40,500

I still read their articles

:

01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,600

depending on what it is but they are far too biased

:

01:39:45,033 --> 01:39:45,733

I really like

:

01:39:45,733 --> 01:39:47,166

I used to think they weren't

:

01:39:47,500 --> 01:39:48,800

I what

:

01:39:49,266 --> 01:39:51,233

I really like planet money a lot

:

01:39:51,233 --> 01:39:52,033

um yeah

:

01:39:52,033 --> 01:39:53,033

and I'm not sure on that one

:

01:39:53,033 --> 01:39:54,533

I haven't really listened to in a long time

:

01:39:54,533 --> 01:39:56,533

I'm just saying NPR as a whole

:

01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:58,166

uh huh like

:

01:39:58,166 --> 01:40:00,466

their news reporting is very biased

:

01:40:00,466 --> 01:40:01,766

so I'm not I okay

:

01:40:01,766 --> 01:40:04,200

I stopped kind of paying attention as much

:

01:40:05,766 --> 01:40:08,733

I mostly disagree with you on that

:

01:40:08,733 --> 01:40:10,166

but I'll you know

:

01:40:10,166 --> 01:40:11,233

it's whatever

:

01:40:11,333 --> 01:40:13,466

I think it depends on the show you're listening to

:

01:40:13,466 --> 01:40:15,133

as well um

:

01:40:15,133 --> 01:40:15,533

and I mean

:

01:40:15,533 --> 01:40:17,833

there's no right there's nothing

:

01:40:18,733 --> 01:40:21,566

nothing left there's nothing that isn't left of center

:

01:40:23,533 --> 01:40:25,966

that they do yeah

:

01:40:28,066 --> 01:40:30,100

so I would say that's bias then

:

01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:31,133

at that point

:

01:40:31,833 --> 01:40:33,700

see I get irritated with them sometimes'cause

:

01:40:33,700 --> 01:40:36,633

I feel like they are trying to be moderate sometimes

:

01:40:36,633 --> 01:40:38,166

and in the center

:

01:40:38,166 --> 01:40:40,600

when sometimes I think it doesn't call for it

:

01:40:42,166 --> 01:40:43,533

but um

:

01:40:43,533 --> 01:40:44,533

so the but

:

01:40:44,533 --> 01:40:46,300

they do have some good episodes

:

01:40:46,300 --> 01:40:47,966

about the Federal Reserve

:

01:40:47,966 --> 01:40:49,133

which are really interesting

:

01:40:49,133 --> 01:40:50,833

that's just what it reminded me of

:

01:40:50,833 --> 01:40:51,433

yeah no

:

01:40:51,433 --> 01:40:52,966

I'd be curious I said I've yeah

:

01:40:52,966 --> 01:40:54,100

like cause yeah

:

01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:55,600

I read about the origins

:

01:40:56,266 --> 01:40:57,166

and then like

:

01:40:57,166 --> 01:40:59,466

in this book that I'm reading now

:

01:40:59,466 --> 01:41:02,500

he goes into a lot of how the Federal Reserve works

:

01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:04,966

and how it creates money and all this

:

01:41:05,566 --> 01:41:06,600

you know

:

01:41:07,566 --> 01:41:08,833

a lot about you know

:

01:41:08,833 --> 01:41:11,033

when we got taken off the gold standard

:

01:41:11,033 --> 01:41:13,366

and what effect that had on the economy

:

01:41:13,366 --> 01:41:15,566

even back then and how

:

01:41:15,566 --> 01:41:18,166

I mean now it's just a complete disaster

:

01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:21,900

so yeah

:

01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:23,766

I think I think that's a huge problem

:

01:41:23,766 --> 01:41:25,700

our country is the Federal Reserve

:

01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:27,333

and our monetary system

:

01:41:28,500 --> 01:41:29,933

it seems screwy

:

01:41:30,733 --> 01:41:31,433

yeah well

:

01:41:31,433 --> 01:41:33,200

it's fake that's the problem

:

01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:35,600

it's all it's all fiat

:

01:41:35,766 --> 01:41:38,366

some people would argue that all money is fake

:

01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:40,766

not one's backed by gold

:

01:41:41,966 --> 01:41:44,966

some people would still argue even that's fake because

:

01:41:45,633 --> 01:41:47,133

you know can you eat gold

:

01:41:47,333 --> 01:41:48,266

you you know what I mean

:

01:41:48,266 --> 01:41:49,333

like I don't know

:

01:41:49,333 --> 01:41:51,133

you can't eat it but I I

:

01:41:51,433 --> 01:41:52,166

you know I that's

:

01:41:52,166 --> 01:41:53,266

it'd be fun cause I can

:

01:41:53,266 --> 01:41:57,500

I can break it down the best way possible for you to

:

01:41:57,500 --> 01:41:58,066

it's it's

:

01:41:58,066 --> 01:41:59,100

'cause it's not I mean

:

01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:03,500

gold is gold has been the go to currency of exchange

:

01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:05,266

for thousands of years for humans

:

01:42:05,466 --> 01:42:06,233

because of

:

01:42:06,233 --> 01:42:10,566

because of its very specific values of being scarce

:

01:42:11,366 --> 01:42:12,100

um it's

:

01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:13,700

it's scarce it

:

01:42:13,700 --> 01:42:16,133

it doesn't break down

:

01:42:16,166 --> 01:42:20,966

it's light enough to exchange as a currency

:

01:42:20,966 --> 01:42:22,633

it's not heavy like

:

01:42:22,633 --> 01:42:23,933

you can break it down

:

01:42:23,966 --> 01:42:26,766

for its scarcity and value to small coins

:

01:42:29,433 --> 01:42:30,233

like gold that's why

:

01:42:30,233 --> 01:42:33,833

gold and silver have always been what we tied to money

:

01:42:33,833 --> 01:42:34,633

to

:

01:42:35,033 --> 01:42:36,500

mm hmm they talk

:

01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:38,866

they have a lot of episodes that talk about that too

:

01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:41,466

you might enjoy listening to them

:

01:42:42,633 --> 01:42:45,566

and seeing what they say I don't remember

:

01:42:45,566 --> 01:42:47,233

yeah I'd be I'm definitely curious

:

01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,666

cause they talked about um

:

01:42:50,666 --> 01:42:53,066

us being on or off the gold standard

:

01:42:54,766 --> 01:42:56,566

in in one that I heard recently

:

01:42:58,633 --> 01:43:00,733

yeah I'm curious what their take is on it

:

01:43:00,733 --> 01:43:03,233

cause I mean it's caused

:

01:43:03,933 --> 01:43:04,300

I mean that

:

01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:06,300

that's why our money isn't worth anything anymore

:

01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:07,966

cause we're not on the gold standard

:

01:43:07,966 --> 01:43:13,266

they really try to explain things as simply as possible

:

01:43:13,266 --> 01:43:14,666

too which I like

:

01:43:14,933 --> 01:43:16,766

yeah which gets really hard

:

01:43:16,766 --> 01:43:18,433

when you start talking about economics

:

01:43:18,433 --> 01:43:20,166

and the Federal Reserve yeah

:

01:43:20,166 --> 01:43:22,566

that's what I've Learned reading economics

:

01:43:22,566 --> 01:43:23,666

I'm like uh huh

:

01:43:23,900 --> 01:43:27,433

oh this is a million times more complicated

:

01:43:27,433 --> 01:43:29,700

than anybody thinks like this one

:

01:43:29,700 --> 01:43:32,233

this one is called Planet Money Buys Gold

:

01:43:32,933 --> 01:43:35,700

they they like to do real life experiments

:

01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:37,166

like um

:

01:43:37,166 --> 01:43:39,466

right now they're working on publishing a book

:

01:43:39,633 --> 01:43:41,433

and then they talk about all the money

:

01:43:41,433 --> 01:43:43,466

implications of publishing the book

:

01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:45,033

but this was when they bought gold

:

01:43:45,033 --> 01:43:47,266

they've done things like they made a T-shirt

:

01:43:47,266 --> 01:43:49,633

and they traveled around to see

:

01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:55,266

I think they bought the cotton

:

01:43:55,266 --> 01:43:57,200

that the T-shirt was made of

:

01:43:57,966 --> 01:43:59,900

that was in theory what they were trying to do

:

01:43:59,900 --> 01:44:04,066

they were trying to trace like the entire process

:

01:44:04,066 --> 01:44:05,166

so it's they

:

01:44:05,166 --> 01:44:08,766

they end up going really in depth on things

:

01:44:08,766 --> 01:44:10,633

in very interesting ways

:

01:44:11,433 --> 01:44:12,233

gotcha

:

01:44:13,033 --> 01:44:14,333

big fan big fan

:

01:44:15,633 --> 01:44:16,366

Alrighty well

:

01:44:16,366 --> 01:44:17,933

I'm gonna let you go

:

01:44:18,666 --> 01:44:18,966

oh sorry

:

01:44:18,966 --> 01:44:20,000

I keep yawning

:

01:44:20,700 --> 01:44:21,500

yeah

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cause we just exercise our brains real hard

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yes I'm gonna blame it on that

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no awesome

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I can't wait to see the first one

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I'm gonna start doing some shameless social media plugs

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for us yeah yeah

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and uh

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you don't know how

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how much I was looking forward to doing this one

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like this is so much fun for me

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Yay good

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I'm glad I have fun with it too

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I think it's a really good exercise

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I think it's good

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that's gonna do it for episode two of Schindler's just

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Tyler and I have a lot more to say about democracy

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what it actually means

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why a constitutional republic is different

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whether secession is a democratic act or the end of one

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and we may get into that in episode three

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if anything we said made you want to yell at us

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correct us

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or share something you think we should know about

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or talk about please let us know

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you can reach us at Schindler's gist at proton dot me

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that's spelled s c h I n d l E r

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s g I s t at proton dot me

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if we got something wrong

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please tell us

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if you got a topic you want us to dig into

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please tell us that as well

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and if you're in the North Georgia area

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and want to get involved in any of the civic work

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we talked about in this episode

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the Saturday stands the weekly protest

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the writing candidate recruitment

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for uncontested Cherokee County races

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you can find NGA can at N G a C a n dot org

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thanks for listening and we'll see you next time

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bye bye

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Schindler's Gist
Politics, power, and the truth nobody's telling you.
Everything is broken. Nobody in power is telling you the truth. And we might as well talk about it.
Schindler's Gist is hosted by Martha Jean Schindler, an organizer and independent journalist, and the woman who ran for mayor of a deep-red Georgia city and got a third of the vote. Each episode cuts through the noise on politics, local power, and the systems designed to keep regular people confused and compliant.
No spin. No both-sidesing. Just the gist.

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Martha Jean Schindler

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Martha Jean Schindler is a political organizer and strategist who focuses on turning frustration into action.

Based in Georgia, she leads North Georgia CAN, where she works to build community power, support people directly impacted by policy decisions, and help everyday people get involved in ways that actually matter.

Her approach is grounded in clarity and honesty. She doesn’t believe in performative politics or empty messaging. She cares about what works, what helps people, and what moves the needle.

Tyler Kluth

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